This missed the historical context for why downvotes were disabled on Hexbear in the first place. Moderators were trying to implement trans-friendly policies and features like pronouns, and reactionary weirdos kept downvoting the shit out of people who agreed with and wanted those features. Mods tried to ban based on upvotes and downvotes, but it didn’t work.

I think the assumption that any site’s general culture will be correct on an issue is a faulty one. Yeah, it’s going to be generally correct about international politics or Marxism or something everyone researched on the site probably (when it’s on Hexbear or Lemmygrad at least), but anyone who’s part of a smaller or more fucked over minority has to basically fight an uphill battle to even be listened to even with downvotes off. With downvotes on, someone asking for accommodations or sympathy in a radical or surprising way that other users haven’t seen before will just be shut down entirely. I think a good example of this is how I’ve seen people constantly make fun of others for stuff like not showering and, when people talk about how those with depression often do their best but can’t manage it and so making fun of someone for that can be hurtful, they were just ridiculed. If downvotes were enabled most complaints about ableism or more obscure forms of anti-queer oppression would be pushed to the fringes and ignored.

The main issue with downvotes are that they allow those with hegemonic beliefs to enforce them without considering why they hold those beliefs in the first place.

So ultimately, it’s a trade off between if you want to be open to more radical theory that people would have a knee-jerk reaction to and downvote, or be more closed to that theory but allow site members to enforce the popular opinion more strongly

Marxism is completely falsifiable and it’s why I like it. I don’t know if that’s relevant here.

It would only be non-falsifiable if Marx said that it would be impossible to measure or predict the mechanisms of social change. We can totally measure social habits and most of our measurements tend towards Marx being correct.

I meant spoiling

mods please ban OP they’re (or idk what @pancake ‘s pronouns are) spoiling deltarune

oh it’s like with how “rationalists” think theyve invented ethics when recreating it for the 69420th time

the fact this is downvoted while a meme that explicitly just dunks on anarchists without any real critique to it is just sad

The narwhal bacons at my axe

Tarot apparently has actually benefit as a tool for self-introspection, and has a decent community of people who believe in it without wanting any profit from it, but i imagine the industry as a whole is garbage

Carnal pleasures and animalistic instincts are good and normal actually

I’m not sure what the Great Journey is but most people probably won’t take it if it involves denouncing those things

Weird child rape person in the OP is just unhinged, evil, and completely disconnected from themselves. our “animalistic instincts” tell us not to rape children all the time, and those whose instincts don’t shouldn’t be allowed near children in general

Edit: I think I just replied seriously to a Halo shitpost, fml

Then I would agree with you in principle, but I don’t think a revolution is impossible in the imperial core, then. White people just make it significantly harder.

There is no way to retreat into a pre-internet era. Instead of self-flagellating and guilt-tripping, pretending we can escape our wired future by unplugging, we need to take our participation in the medium seriously and in a way that integrates well with our offline organization

GOOD quote

settler-left

would this not imply that a indigenous led party would be capable of revolution?
i personally do not subscribe to the idea that revolution is impossible in the imperial core
it’s impossible (or very difficult) in the United States because the military apparatus is extremely extensive.
It is not the fault of moral failing or lack of commitment.

I agree with the spirit of your comment, but let me nitpick

We are not organized, there’s no discipline, no organizational structure, no mechanisms to enforce things, no participation to come to conclusions and analysis.

We can simply create organization, discipline (as in enforcement of behavior) is entirely possible with the correct online organizational structure, there are plenty of mechanisms to enforce things in an online organization, and participation would come with time

These same criticisms could have been made about the idea of making the first socialist party before the first socialist party was made. These are things that we have to build ourselves no matter what.

It would be possible to create a more unified “posting brigade” while still allowing the actual, already vehemently socialist places like lemmygrad to be as meme-y and silly as they want

Given that these extreme reactionaries have such differing opinions on how and what to do, yet still manage to oppress people so quickly, I wonder how we’re not managing to organize ourselves

It’s becoming a war cry for the extreme reactionary elements in the United States, an imaginary enemy they can rally against. “Wokeism” is a completely made up ideology that does not exist, will never exist, these alt-right clowns only pretend it does for their own organizational benefit and profit.

zapatistas specifically, yeah they’re built different

But for the people of a lot of countries ravaged by imperialism, I wonder somewhat if the idea that they have a higher tolerance or developed a higher tolerance over their lifetimes for grueling labor is a myth, perpetrated by survivorship bias.

Pretty easy to think of people who live in countries that are being economically attacked as industrious, unrealistically strong-willed people, when the more likely case is that everyone who can’t work to that degree, either mentally or physically, just fucking starved to death.

I don’t think people are often able to get used to the suffering, I think anyone who can’t get used to it just gets tossed into the pile of imperialism’s victims.

The sickening thing is that there are people who exist who would realize that and then just argue it’s “natural selection”. Social darwinists should be executed unironically