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Old meme, this is not the debate raging on because I saw this exact image ages ages ages ago. Just saying

Thank you for your great response and your knowledge and insight.

“The implication is that an AI is an “it” because it’s not a person.”

To me, the reason to designate something as a “they” (singular, gender neutral, as in “they are an x”) rather than an “it”, is whether the term is in reference to a conscious/sentient being that could be seen as having a personality, or to an unconscious entity or object. Like you pointed out, people often refer to animals such as dogs and cats as “they” rather than “it”, especially when a person doesn’t know their sex. For example “I was chased around by this dog, and they were licking me”. While other people might still use “it”, I personally think “they” is more of a charitable acknowledgement of their personality (rather than “its personality”), and might potentially lead to treating them with more consideration than as designated similarly to objects.

But with AI that can replicate a personality without actually having consciousness, this seems to get very murky in my opinion. Technically using the same logic you might call an AI an “it” rather than a “they”, since they aren’t sentient/conscious (as far as we can determine currently at least), but when they convincingly present themselves as having a personality, it seems to warrant a consideration on whether to still use “it” or to perhaps use “they” instead. Not that there would necessarily be a reason to do so, but it seems like odd territory, especially when considering the hypothetical of the philosophical zombie, or possibly a highly advanced (but non-sentient) AI that was so faithfully replicating the behaviour of a human being that they could be interpreted the same way as a human, despite not having any consciousness whatsoever. Do we still call that like-a-human-but-not-a-human-and-not-conscious being an “it”, or would that feel inaccurate and warrant calling them a “they” due to their clear personality that appears identical to conscious personalities that we acknowledge?

“And just to throw another theoretical biology stick in the spokes, is an ant colony an “it” or a “they,” and why?”

I think that an ant colony could be called an it, just like a group of humans or a group of any animals could be called an “it”. While distinctly to this, I think an individual ant, given their consciousness/sentience, can be referred to as a “they”, similar to other conscious/sentient animals, including humans, or any hypothetical conscious/sentient beings for that matter. If we found an alien being on another planet that was conscious/sentient, it still makes sense to me to refer to them as a “they/them”, unless of course their gender was known in which case they could be a he/she, or whatever they identify as if they express that (purely hypothetically).

It’s not about gender at all, I’m assuming AI is genderless or gender neutral. The it vs they question is about designating AI as an object or a personality, basically.

Thanks, I’m not sure why it’s downvoted either. It surprised me, usually questions like this trigger interest.

I think that by most estimations, we can assume that AI are not actually sentient currently and don’t have the ability for sentience as there is no mechanism that would allow for them to experience consciousness subjectively, unlike animals including humans which we can scientifically state have not only behaviours consistent with consciousness and feeling but also biological mechanisms that we know to be what make us capable of a subjective experience. AI is highly intelligent, but so are many computers and machines, with AI this is just taken to another level where it’s able to replicate the simulation of a personality. I agree that the answers given by AI itself which is programmed wouldn’t be the best way to determine this, but rather objective computer science and technology of humans independent of an AI system.

So again I think it’s pretty much factual that AIs aren’t capable of sentience currently, and it’s a debatable topic whether more upgraded or evolved forms of AI could be physically capable of perceiving experience/sentience even in the future as a hypothetical, though I definitely wouldn’t rule that out.

That said, I don’t think the fact they aren’t sentient can prevent us from addressing them as if they were, given they exhibit a very convincing presentation of a sentient personality even if that isn’t the case.

To me, it would feel odd for example to address them as “it” if they were even more convincingly like a human but simply weren’t conscious, hypothetically. This would then be approaching something similar to the “philosophical zombie” thought experiment where a being is physically identical to a normal person but does not have conscious experience. So, a being that behaves exactly like a human but technically doesn’t experience anything/isn’t sentient. That would definitely feel strange for me to still call them an “it”, or a something, rather than a “they” or a someone.

However, I think at the current level of faithfulness, of even the most advanced AI, to a human being, they aren’t convincing enough and still too machine-like for me to definitively say that I would be uncomfortable calling them “it”, unlike the philosophical zombie where I would be uncomfortable calling them “it”.

It refers to objects, they refers to sentience or the fact of “someone” being a conscious individual rather than just a “something”.

But in this case, they would be acknowledging on some level, even superficially, AI’s personality and agency to a degree.

It didn’t really, it said people may choose both. It’s also an AI. I wanted to see what real people thought. I thought this was a good question.

The most sophisticated AI imaginable short of it becoming sentient, let’s say.

The soundtrack by Ramin Djawadi was good though, if I recall

I never watched past ep 1, LOL

Oh you made me realise that it’s not just about wanting a bad show. Walking Dead World Beyond was bad, but in a not-entertaining way. Fear The Walking Dead was bad, but entertaining. I’m not sure how to describe it.

Then the show becomes terrible around S4’s second half

Weird, consensus is usually that S3 is the best. I sort of agree. Troy and the land/water rights issues made it interesting

Yes, orange = neutral, purple = female, blue = male. They just did it like that

To be honest it does, but also I just feel silly asserting my gender when I’m trying to simply convey a reaction. I’m not nonbinary but I try to make things non-gendered by default unless there’s a reason to. Why does anyone care about my gender as it relates to a shrugging reaction? That’s where I’m at.

Another reason to switch to iPhone I guess. I was compelled by their recent announcement that they’re switching to recycled cobalt (which is more sustainable and doesn’t use child labour) by 2025, which might make them the only major smartphone company to do so. Fairphone is another option as far as that goes.

Thanks, but I can get that too, it’s just when you use the search bar to type in a term, like “shrug”, " tipping hand", “kneeling”, “massage”, or “haircut”, that it only displays the male and female forms (for me). I’m using Samsung Keyboard because it allows for some good clipboard features that others don’t, unfortunately.

Samsung keyboard on One UI (Samsung’s version of Android), throughout all apps. Samsung Galaxy S22

Getting it as a tattoo on my ass.

I don’t mean to be rude, and I totally understand if it works better to use a speakerphone (some people have ear issues and can’t have things pressing against their ears). But if the issue is a phone is only held against one ear, can’t you use headphones or earphones that also transmit sounds to both ears?