A few weeks ago, I’d have agreed with you, but now? The Democratic party that just lost 10 million votes… We’ll spoil that party? The one that just lost a fair election to a convicted felon? You want to protect them from being spoiled?

We have 4 years, which is, again, the most time we’ll ever get to try something like this because that’s how 4 year election cycles work. What is it exactly that they’re doing successfully you don’t want to spoil?

It’s “moo”.

Oh, I’m all for ranked choice voting, but in order for it to have any meaning we also need a plurality of parties. They also need time to build and I’m sure these two would start a good one if allowed.

Although the likelihood of political parties having any weight at all past January is anyone’s guess…

Or maybe they should just leave the Democratic party and start a new progressive party? We have less than 4 years, but that’s also the most time we’ll ever have.

I just want to point out that even you qualify these benefits.

It MAY ease symptoms. Or it may not. It may EASE symptoms, but it won’t get rid of them entirely. It may ease SYMPTOMS, but it’s not a cure.

They’re like on the first page of results of anyone who has depression when they look up how to break out of it, so there’s an incredibly high likelihood you’re not the first person to discover hydration and exercise. They also don’t work for everyone, so it can be especially disheartening to hear the same advice over and over when it hasn’t worked for you in the past. It starts feeling like no one listens before they give the same ‘hydration and exercise’ mantra.

It’s probably assuming that you’re also getting fries, a drink and an ice cream cone each or something. That simply cannot be enough.

Because there’s no “wrong” answer in an experiment. AKA no accountability.

I still have hope… just not for America. I can make somewhere else better.

‘Decline to answer’ is a valid option for those people and they don’t get included in these polls.

You’re making speculations as to why they voted the way they said they did, but that’s unknowable. Your guess is just as good as mine, which is why it’s rude to assume yours is the right guess.

So, you don’t trust any poll where people self-report the information?

You don’t mean that. You’re just saying that in order to maintain your standing in your community.

… see how rude that is to just assume people are lying about themselves as if you know better?

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Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.

There’s still a chance for them.

Sure, Jan.

Nah, the problem is that it makes complete sense in the imperfect would we actually live in. You want to have a perfectly logical reason to vote, but you’re never going to find it, so good luck. You’re going to have to compromise somewhere. I’m just honest about when/where.

…you need to show that the general reasoning of choosing the lesser evil is a valid line of thought.

I really don’t though. There isn’t an ethics test after the vote. You don’t have to show your work. The fact that you’re so hung up on this makes me think you just want to “win” an ideological debate, but I’m not having one of those.

You can vote or not, but there’s only two possible outcomes at this point. Believe it or don’t. Excuse it or don’t.

[Resolved] Third parties splitting the vote

“Working as intended.”

It seems like you expect me to vehemently defend this ideology “in general” when I told you it’s only for specific circumstances because of the way the system has been rigged since before we were born.

It’s also a smart move to double down bets in specific situations in Vegas, but I’m not going to defend always doing that “in general”. Context matters, and you seem to be ignoring the fascist in the room.

None of these examples are government elections, which is the only place where I’m using this ideology.

Lesser-evilism is not correct, however it’s the system we currently have.

It’s the natural result of a system with a single vote. You might be able to change enough people’s minds to impact a single election, but the system will default back to a two-party system eventually. That is not an ideology you can break people out of, it is simply how the system works.

It sure would be nice to vote FOR someone instead of AGAINST someone else, but that’s not a choice we have the luxury of making right now. We have to change the system first before that has a chance of succeeding. Otherwise it’s just helping elect Super Hitler.

“Objectively” in that in the same situation (i.e. being the deciding vote between Hitler and Super Hitler) you would decide to not vote, allowing Super Hitler to win and I would Vote to have Hitler win.

Super Hitler is objectively worse than Hitler because one is made up and the other is dead, so what are you really arguing with me for?