• Facebones@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    “We demand the return of our hostages, which is why we’re going to bomb where our hostages are to fucking rubble”

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    Same bullshit logic that helped many support the genocide of those “barbaric” Native Americans because some actually had the gall to attack the colonial invaders.

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      I wonder how few will draw some of the parallels of the colonial expansion in Australia and the West in general.

      I love the types that say others should go back to where they come from ignoring their parents and grandparents were not that far removed from the boat that brought them here.

      Then they don’t want to acknowledge that these groups were probably not that thrilled at being slaughtered and their kids taken away from them to make way for their colonial ancestors.

      It’s a amazing trait to me that humans can hold such diabolically opposed ideas as the same truths for them.

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        I have seen numerous examples of Israeli officials declaring genocidal intent of all Palestinians. I haven’t seen the reverse.

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              Hamas regularly admits they want to eliminate Israel is why it’s satire. Y’all are so thick and stuck on one train of thought

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                Israel in its current form should be eliminated. It’s an apartheid state. Until it changes by enfranchising the Palestinians that it has trapped in open air prisons (Gaza, West Bank) it has no right to carry on. I will never support an ethnostate that places the supremacy of one ethnicity over another. If we time traveled back would you say that apartheid South Africa deserved to continue as it was? Rhodesia?

                It’s funny that you are wasting time defending Israel with that kind of defense. “Hamas regularly admits” – show me where? Here? Oops, that was just some of the many documented statements from Israeli officials declaring their genocidal intent. You know, the thing that is actually happening right now considering Israel has shut off food, water, electricity, and fuel into Gaza. When Netenyahu compares Palestinians to Amalek he is telling his hardcore right wing faction a very clear message. Maybe you didn’t understand it? Or, a worse thought, maybe you understand it perfectly and pretend otherwise?

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    1 year ago

    You can’t just perfectly sum up a very complex geo-politocal issue in 1 meme like this, but you did anyway

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    I get what you’re going for but if you want to be realistic, the hostage taker wouldn’t be surprised/upset in the third panel. Israel is undoubtedly committing war crimes but Hamas has made it pretty clear they don’t give a shit if Palestinian civilians die.

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    Admitting Hamas is holding civilians hostage isn’t the win you think it is.

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        No one with half a brain is pro hamas. This conflict isn’t a binary.

        It’s possible to think killing civilians is wrong, no matter who is doing it.

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      I’m kind of confused by this comment. I think Hamas has been pretty open about the fact that they have hostages and I haven’t heard anyone attempt to argue that they didn’t take hostages or don’t still have some. There have been videos on many news sources either published by Hamas themselves featuring hostages angry at the government for dropping bombs where they are and I have seen videos published by mainstream news sources showing the release of some hostages by Hamas. I’m also confused about the framing of this being an attempt by OP to “win” something.

      From my perspective, ending the carnage and lifting the illegal siege would be a win both for all the innocent Palestinian men, women, and children whose lives are in jeopardy and the innocent Israeli civilians whose lives are also on the line due to the IDF’s wanton recklessness with innocent lives in general. I would also consider it a win if the Israeli people do what the majority of Israelis have been wanting to do and rid themselves of the menace that is Benjamin Netanyahu and his extremist right-wing Likud party so the people can get back to the work of ensuring equal rights of all people in the area regardless of race to lay the groundwork for a modern nation not constantly at war with itself. What are you trying to win?

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        I’m talking more about how they’re quite openly using their own people as human shields, and don’t seem to care particularly much if they get hurt.

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          This phrase is the most ridiculous “get out of jail free” card I have ever witnessed a genocidal regime attempt to deploy. It doesn’t make sense at all. The IDF murdered 4000 children because they claim Hamas typically stands behind people, therefore bombing any civilian anywhere has some chance to also get someone from Hamas hiding behind them? Almost 11,000 Palestinians dead and many times more being sent on a death march because Hamas only exists standing behind all Palestinians who live in Gaza oooooooor the West Bank which is occupied by the IDF and ostensibly governed by the Palestinian Authority who oppose Hamas? Would you be ok with the police shooting through your family because the criminal they were after ran behind them to use as cover? Would you still be ok with it if they just had a suspicion that the criminal was hiding behind your family because that’s what they generally do and won’t even confirm if they actually were? If it’s not ok to do that to your family but it is ok to do to an innocent Palestinian family, why is that?

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            You could just as easily have written a mini diatribe about how Hamas shouldn’t be building bases under hospitals, but instead you go after Israel for trying to get at them.

            Why is that?

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              Since you’ve avoided directly responding to me again, I’ll assume that you’ve ceded your previous two arguments. Keep them coming. Israel isn’t even trying to make sense, they are just relying on group identity and reactionary tendencies.

              Why is that?

              Because Benjamin Netanyahu went against the democratic will of the people of Gaza to install Hamas into leadership and prevent all future elections to severely impede the legal process of establishing a secular Palestinian state. Israel is and has been in control of this situation. Israel has the power to decide whether or not the occupied Palestinians will ever have rights in their own land, and Palestinians lack the power to decide anything for Israel or even for themselves. This is not an evenly matched “both sides” situation. Hamas is there to be Israel’s excuse to ethnic cleanse the land they want to seize because they can successfully convince people that every man, woman, and child of Palestinian ethnicity is synonomous with Hamas and therefore is a valid target.

              The IDF just claimed that a calendar with the days of the week written on it in arabic was a list of Hamas guards right on CNN when every arabic reader could see through the lie immediately. The IDF makes false claims all the time, so I won’t believe their claim of the Hamas HQ as valid until they provide actual evidence. This being the case, if they know where the Hamas HQ is, why not send special forces to go execute a strike as a normal modern nation would do? Why instead kill civilians at such high rates it would make more sense if they were deliberately trying to avoid hitting Hamas as the IDF themselves admitted to at least a 70% civilian casualty rate with more realistic estimates by objective bodies being closer to 90% civilian casualties? Why are they bombing everything that could sustain life in Gaza if not to force the entire population out so they can seize the land as they’ve always been very open about wanting to do? Why install a bunch of crazies, refuse to negotiate with any Palestinians because of the Hamas they installed, and then harass and murder the civilian population in the Gaza strip for years so that they would be certainly eliminated in the long term unless they risk fighting back in the short term?

  • RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world
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    First panel is straight up nazi propaganda. Completely buying into the ‘human shields’ narrative the zionists use as an excuse to deliberately murder civilians