I have used linux for a couple of years now and it was one of the most bumpy beginnings (and ends) i ever had with software. There was little a moment that wasnt marred by some kind of problem.

I could write a book on all the problems i had encountered and some of them happen several times, but here are some highlights:

  1. monitors not being all recognized unless its plugged in in a VERY specific order
  2. monitor 2 not having the correct colors
  3. audio not coming out of the correct source, the default source changing when something else that can sue it is plugged in, and also changing after a restart
  4. gaming, proton barely EVER worked, rated gold or platinum on protondb? fuck you it wont even start for you
  5. wine is not much better, lutris also fucked up several times

What broke the camels back today:

I stream, on wednesday my controller stopped working so i couldnt continue to stream, an hour after i stopped? the controller started working again great right? no, today the same shit, controller doesnt work.

Linux continues to have awful roadblocks that make even the most stubborn user (me) switch back to windows for now

But ah i am not dont yet, getting support from other users is about as much a fools errand as it is for windows, just sprinkled in with a lot more brown nosing elitism. And i imagine i will get similar comments here cause lemmy has the same circlejerks reddit has.

As long as linux continues having the most mundane problems with NO solution anywhere it wont get anywhere, if it werent for steamdeck it would still hover around at below 3%

See i like linux, i like how the ui feels and all, but i just cant anymore, i want shit to actually work and linux just cant provide that yet

  • Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I have been trying to transition my every day desktop to Linux for 15 years, they aren’t there yet.

    And now that all the energy is going into making thousands of functionally identical distros there will be zero effort made to actually turn it into a standard desktop OS.

    Add on top of that the fact that EVERY FUCKDAMN LINUX community I have visited is populated by arrogant assholes that think niche expertise gives them the right to harass newbs.

    Peripheral support is shit, even LTS distros drop support for common packages whenever they fucking feel like.

    I’m gonna say it.

    Fuck Linux, and fuck every neckbeard that brought us to this place.

    Linux was supposed to be the cure, was supposed to be the hero, was supposed to show just how good open source software could be.

    Instead it became a vast ocean of user-antagonistic steaming shit.

  • Squiddles@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    People in this thread have noted that some systems seem to be Linux-cursed, and I’ve definitely experienced that. Usually it’s a specific piece of hardware that isn’t well supported, or a package or default configuration that has an issue. I’ve had systems that were spinning their heads and spraying pea soup everywhere on OpenSUSE and Debian turn around and behave perfectly on Gentoo (that was 17 years ago, but it doesn’t seem to be a unique experience).

    Regarding the controller, if you’re connecting a PS4 controller via bluetooth I think I had the same problem earlier today, and there’s an issue open on the bluez github about it. I found a post on the Arch bbs with a workaround. TLDR, bluez has had a few issues in the latest builds and reverting all your bluez libraries to 5.68-1 seems to solve it for most people, including me. Unfortunately, this kind of thing crops up occasionally. Everywhere really, but especially on Linux because of how much it relies on community contributions to projects.

    Anyway, I’ve rambled too long. Sounds like you got bit by either a driver issue or a config/package issue. Sorry it happened to you, and sorry it soured you on Linux. If you’re looking for something that “just works” and aren’t getting it with Linux, no reason to beat your head against a wall.

    • Mandy@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      11 months ago

      because the point is not to shit on individual distros? none of them are shit in the end, the linux ecosystem just isnt for me just yet

      • lemmyvore@feddit.nl
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        11 months ago

        I know, I was joking. 😊 It was actually great that you didn’t mention it, if you had then the discussion would have focused on how that particular distro is the one that didn’t do right by you.

  • Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de
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    11 months ago

    You’re not alone, but it’s an unpopular opinion among geeks. I guess most of them are just bored and therefore love to tinker with these kind of issues. I value my time and prefer not to care about my OS doing things for me. I like to have the option to do so, if I need, but I shouldn’t have too. Windows allows that, MacOS doesn’t and Linux allows too much of that, even requires it.

    Another part is the dopamine rush when an issue got solved. Obviously you don’t get any if it works right away.

    My windows 10 is running flawless since 2019 and it didn’t slow down or get bloated. I have disabled a few options but that’s about it. Meanwhile my coworker is fighting bad drivers every day. Not even talking about games that simply don’t work at all.

    I use Linux at work and it’s great when you set up a VM to do one thing and then forget about it.

    • Hyperreality@kbin.social
      01·
      11 months ago

      MacOS does to a degree(!!!) if you open the terminal. It’s Unix compliant, so it’s not even that much of a leap.

  • solomoncaygnuyou@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    I won’t downvote you for having an unpopular opinion. But I’ll definitely downvote you for putting passive aggressive shit like “can’t speak bad about linux on lemmy now can we” in your post title. Lemmy isn’t a monolith and your experiences with downvote brigading and dogpiling isn’t universal.

    • Square Singer@feddit.de
      1·
      11 months ago

      Tbh, OP isn’t wrong there. Their language is maybe a bit too harsh, but especially in communities about Linux, they really do crucify you if you say anything bad about Linux.

      And “anything bad” can range from “I got a problem” over “I have an Nvidia GPU” to “I use Ubuntu”. And “I’m frustrated with Linux” will in 100% of cases lead to a lot of downvotes.

      • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
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        11 months ago

        Been a Linux-only user since 2007. Except in some very corner cases, every time I’ve seen someone complain about how people dogpiled them instead of helped them with a problem, it’s been because they “asked” for help with a post that started something like OP.

        I see examples every single day of of the community being helpful to people who have problems, even when user ignorance is part of the problem.

        Catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.

        • Square Singer@feddit.de
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          11 months ago

          I don’t think that’s fair.

          I think it’s totally understandable, that someone gets ranty when they spent 5h trying and failing to fix something that should be simple.

          And compare that to how similar requests for help are handled in Windows communities.

          Someone has a big issue with their Windows PC, they spent a lot of time trying and failing to fix the issue.

          So they post in some online community “I can’t get this piece of crap working. I’m so frustrated with the useless hoops I have to jump through”.

          The reaction to that, without fail, is “Yeah, I understand why this is frustrating, because it is frustrating and it sucks. Maybe these pointers could help you”.

          Do the same with something related to Linux, and the answers range from something like your comment (“asking” for help), to helpful comments like “I’ve never had issues with this, so you must be doing it wrong” to people outright claiming, that the person asking for help is actually a Windows troll who only posts to drag Linux through the mud.

          To summarize: in Windows communities there are hardly any fanboys who get butthurt when someone offends their creed. You also never hear “It’s working fine for me, so you must be doing it wrong”, because most people (even ones without a technical background) understand that not everyone is experiencing the same set of bugs.

          In Linux communities, all of that is very common.

          • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
            01·
            11 months ago

            If you think the bracketed passive aggressive BS in the title of OP along with comments within their post disparaging the same community who they expect help from is the correct way for anyone to go about trying to get help about any piece of technology from a community of volunteers who aren’t paid to help them, then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

            Edited to add: The very substance of the post is “I know everyone here likes this thing, but I think it’s shit and I’m going to tell you why” - how is it the fault of the community when that doesn’t result in constructive discussion?

            • Square Singer@feddit.de
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              11 months ago

              If you think the bracketed passive aggressive BS in the title of OP along with comments within their post disparaging the same community who they expect help from is the correct way for anyone to go about trying to get help about any piece of technology from a community of volunteers who aren’t paid to help you, then we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.

              Tbh, if you don’t want to help someone, that’s totally fine. Then don’t help them.

              But don’t post, to use your terms, passive aggressive bullshit like “It’s working for me, so you must be doing it wrong”.

              And it’s an issue that I have only seen in Linux communities and communities that draw the same crowd, that people get really pissy if you complain about a product.

              For example, check out this post of mine over on r/linuxgaming: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/17w5hyo/process_of_setting_up_steamprotonnvidia_prime/

              There I documented what I had to do to get Risk of Rain 2 to run on Linux and compared it to Windows.

              Yes, it was a bit ranty, but I didn’t offend the community or the people there, I didn’t even say anything really negative about Linux or any of the involved products. The only thing I said was “Things could need some improvements”.

              I had an upvote ratio of 17% and except of one comment, every single commenter wrote some form of “I don’t have that problem, so you must be the problem”.

              The most positive comment there was “I think you are exaggerating”.

              This is what a toxic community looks like and if you’ve been on the receiving end of that stick a few times, I am not surprised that comments like the one of the OP here follows.

              Linux fanboys (most people using Linux aren’t fanboys, but sadly enough of them are) hate people using other OSes than them. They also hate people using other distros than them. And they hate anyone who dare suggest that the software they are using might contain bugs.

              And this is something you don’t get in communities of any other OS.

              I think that’s a pretty terrible thing, because these people are really effective at driving newcomers away from Linux.

              • Mandy@sh.itjust.worksOP
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                11 months ago

                dont think i have seen anyone be this understanding of the situation i have written this in, and you seem to have been in the same situation as me more than once it seems, so thank you for being this understanding of a heated post and sorry you had similar experiences

                • Square Singer@feddit.de
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                  11 months ago

                  Yeah, the thing is, people in that kind of situation usually stop asking questions or stop using Linux alltogether.

                  These toxic fanatics that keep attacking everyone who could use help with using Linux are at least as effective at keeping the market share of Linux low as Microsoft’s anticompetitive behaviour is.

                  And, tbh, anyone who hasn’t had a problem with Linux where they had to spend >5h to fix it probably hasn’t done anything else than using Linux to launch a browser.

  • pickman_model@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    I’m sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Linux.

    One of the problems with that family of systems is hardware compatibility. Unfortunately if your hardware is not (proven) to be compatible with Linux, you will have problems. Sometimes those problems are of the “my system won’t start” kind. Often, these will be hard to identify and fix.

    Linux is not yet IMO a system for general use. Fixing problems can be long, tedious and require you to read a lot of docs. Yesterday I spent a few hours fixing my package manager, which was recently broken by a system update. Yay.

    I have been using dual boots for years for that very same reason. I am a software developer and Linux makes a lot of sense for my work. But for videogames (and other software not supported on Linux), Windows is my platform of choice.

    The question I would ask myself if I was you is: do you need Linux? If so, I would next check (before anything else) hardware compatibility with some distro that makes sense for you (one that comes shipped with good graphics drivers for example). There are a few distro that work reasonably well for some of those cases. If you don’t need Linux (and you don’t like tinkering with systems) then I would suggest reconsidering your choice of platform.

    Anyway, I wish you all the best settling for a system that works for you and hopefully you can see a quick end to your frustrations.

    Edit: typo

  • Hyperreality@kbin.social
    01·
    11 months ago

    I’m not going to downvote, but I doubt yours is actually an unpopular opinion. It’s just that the minority linux diehards are very vocal.

    The rest of us tried it and moved on, because we have better things to do with our lives, ran into driver issues, and/or don’t enjoy tinkering.

    And why get into an argument with someone who’s enjoying linux? They’re enjoying it and happy with it. No need to shit on their parade.

  • ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social
    01·
    11 months ago

    What distro were you using? I’ve literally never had any problems with controllers, video cards, monitors, or anything that you’ve mentioned. Also, Proton not working is extremely rare. Basically the only thing that prevents games from running perfectly for me is anti-cheat specifically not being supported by the game studio.

    I’ve basically always used Ubuntu which is very stable and the most Windows-like experience imo. Maybe you should give Ubuntu a try if you haven’t?

    • Bo7a@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      I’d put 5 bucks on a bet that the games that wouldn’t launch in proton were stored on a shared NTFS drive. The monitor problem because they unchecked ‘configure new monitors when connected’. And the rest is just user-error and not understanding the tools they are using.

  • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Let’s watch this guy get crucified.

    1. Zero awareness of what linux actually is or means.

    2. No clue what DE they’re using. Talks about “linux UI”.

    3. Clearly some borked distro problems, none of this would happen on any modern user-oriented distro.

    4. Blatantly consumerist attitude towards a FOSS product.

    To the last one, OP, go eat shit. You can pay Apple however much they ask you, and be their happy slave, or you can keep allowing windows to push their big fat aDs down your throat. Nobody has forced you to use linux.

    Oh, and the more of such garbage users like you switch back to windows, the better for us. We’re never planning to run this as s for-profit catering to every Karen’s demands. We just kick Karens out of this bar while continuing enjoying our hard liquor.

    Btw, all of this reads like a copypasta from like a decade ago, which I suspect it might just be.

    • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      11 months ago

      Personal experience:

      • I run a triple monitor setup out of a Linux laptop with Nvidia. E.g. my hardware couldn’t be worse. When I replug monitors all my windows readjust to where they were before unplugging. E.g. I can unplug and plug back in my laptop without needing to rearrange everything. Not to mention the order never mattered.

      • I have color profiles for my monitors and can download them from somewhere too. Or do manual calibration. I don’t bother, colors are fine.

      • I played multiple games on steam on this thing. They run just as good as on windows. Although online games aren’t supported well, so I dual-boot.

      • UI is perfect because I tweaked the living hell out of my gnome and customized colors to my liking. Neither would be possible on windows or mac. But also out of the box experience on gnome is fairly decent. Comparable to win/mac.

      I did not need much effort to get any of that working. Install your distro and go go go.