Please check the mod logs. I submitted a story to the US News group linking to an official statement by the Ohio House of Representatives on their decision to not respect a recent election result enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution. I linked to their actual statement at the Ohio government web site. That is a canonical source. And it was removed for not being actual news because it didn’t link to a news publisher.

This is an insane result. One no actual news organization would ever choose to do. They link to canonical sources.

I am objecting to this in the support group because I don’t know where else to go. The issue here is not about my submission, it is about journalistic standards. This is not acceptable.

EDIT Because there remains a dispute witj admins on what constitutes proper sourcing of documents published by a state government legislative body…

Please contact the main administrative offices of Poynter, The Columbia School of Journalism, or The Neiman School at Harvard and say that you run an online news forum, explain the particulars of this issue, and ask if a professor of journalism or other professional in referral is willing to give an informed opinion on proper practices of sourcing in this situation. Please get an external reality check by a professional in the field. Not for this submission, as that’s water past the bridge, but to craft a reasonable policy going forward for future submissions.

I believe if you’re concise and respectful and do not debate the individual, you’ll have no trouble getting an informed opinion.

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    Now that there’s been a bit of a cooling off period, I may be able to better explain to your satisfaction the issues at play here.

    Blanket statements like “there’s not a single editor or reporter in the free press who” … well, citation needed. “Find yourself a professional journalist …”

    Hi.

    I’m not holding against you the fact that you didn’t read the link in the sidebar that sets expectations for the community that were agreed upon with the admins before I was empowered to set the tone. It explains I was an editor at daily papers for 15 years, which is why I was trusted to make the sorts of calls you’re taking offense to here.

    Assuming I’m blithely making the rules up as I go because you don’t like them reveals less about my qualifications than how personal this topic is to you. And I get it. Removing the story because it was not reported news does not mean I’m not alarmed that this is the direction the Ohio GOP has chosen to go in, but as a press release, it’s a tantrum, not policy. It’s also not exactly stop-press in terms of tactics. Nationally and regionally, the GOP’s stance has for years now been to tell voters that they’re wrong for wanting progressive policies. I live in Texas, so Ohio’s got it easy in that voters can actually make decisions for themselves.

    We likely agree on the implications for democracy, but those do not impact “what the standards actually are.” If anything, I’m hewing to more objective standards than you run into today, in that objective context is what turns an antidemocratic diatribe into news.

    I rose quickly in newspapering by standing up for values imparted upon me by an upbringing that cherished the role of shielding people from believing a political statement was itself news. I’m aware this feels out of place, but I’m keeping the goalposts where they were before all hell broke loose after 9/11. I ran my first professional newspaper at 24, 20 years ago, precisely because I told my bosses at my first paper whenever I thought they were veering off from objective journalism. The city ed there didn’t much like the fact that a kid kept questioning some of the editorial decisions, but when he got his own paper, he wanted that check.

    I have been quoted by journalism professors over the years and didn’t end up at a metro obscenely young not because I didn’t have the opportunity, but because I wanted to change the world, which is far easier when you don’t have three layers of editors above you. I’m here for the same reasons I dropped out of college four times to get my career started: imparting actual news.

    You are not being singled out, and what is happening in Ohio is wrong. But every time we allow outrage to move the needle on news value, the term loses more meaning … if there remains any left that’s consistently agreed upon.

    As I said, I’m a columnist. That’s actually what got me in the door of my college paper. But I quickly learned that while it’s fun to spout off, far more fulfilling is letting voters know about the shenanigans their “representatives” get up to. But you can’t just give them column inches … they want people to hear their unedited bullshit, they can buy an ad.

    In today’s environment, allowing that link to stand would have been saying to our user base (which seems to like the standards I proposed for U.S. News) “we said we’d stick with news, but here’s some political speech all the same,” thus creating a false equivalence that takes away from any gravitas built up around the late-20th-century model of journalism I’ve chosen to uphold and that the admins and community have shown approval for.

    Making an exception here to the expectation of reported news would have been malfeasance.

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      It sounds like you’re confusing opinion with news. Or maybe you mean the community is meant to be “news reports”. But to claim that something isn’t news because it links directly to sources is just an absurd take.

      Saying that an announcement by the ruling party of a state isn’t news. Do you actually hear yourself?

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        The point is that an announcement is just that; non-actioned words.

        When someone else actually verifies that they are following through with that, it becomes news. Otherwise, you are just amplifying their press release under the guise of reporting, when in fact nothing has actually happened.

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          That is such a ridiculously high, and incredibly arbitrary, standard for what’s considered “news”

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            Not at all, this is literally what actual news sites do.

            Go to CNN, AP, Reuters, anyone- Do they just reprint sources wholesale, or do they summarize key points, give context, give counterpoints, and omit self-serving partisan speech? Obviously the latter. That is news reporting.

            There are TONS of dumb political statements put out by politicians all over the world every day, and most of them go unreported-on, because they’re not newsworthy.

            The fact that these politicians stated the intent to do this stuff, is news. You can convey that actual news in a couple sentences, which is about how much the AP quoted from the GOP statement. All the rest of the GOP’s statement is not news, and posting it is, as I said, political amplification.

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              Of course they do more than just reprint raw sources. They have to provide value. They’re in the business of news reports. That doesn’t mean that the original sources aren’t news.

              The fact that these politicians stated the intent to do this stuff, is news. You can convey that actual news in a couple sentences

              So you’re saying it IS news. It seems what you want is commentary, which isn’t news. Or opinion, which isn’t news.