The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday that one person was killed and 28 others were wounded in a shooting by Israeli forces at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza, the organisation said.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments. We can’t trust Israel’s claims when it comes to human shields. They have a track record of lying about it. Check out what happened in the Great March of Return in 2021-- IDF snipers killed 185 unarmed adults and 35 children. Israel claimed each of them were being used as a human shield. However, “human shield” refers to civilian deaths when targeting militants in combat. If all those journalists, medics, children, and unarmed activists were human shields, who were they shielding? Killing that many unarmed protestors would be a war crime, if we bothered to hold a tribunal. Israel is using the fog of war today to make their claims seem reasonable, but just two years ago the IDF showed an undeniable pattern of killing innocent people then lying about it.
Furthermore, if we’re going to accept Israel’s claims that Hamas is using human shields and their flawed definition of what a “human shield” is, then we also must accept that Israel uses human shields, too. The majority of their military bases are in densely populated areas. Their army broadcasts from a residential tower. The IDF’s main HQ is in the middle of a residential and shopping sector in Tel Aviv. Is anyone accusing Israel of using human shields? On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
What this really is is a double standard. Israel uses the “human shield” defense for any civilian they kill in an attempt to give themselves international support under the color of law, but Hamas does not get that privilege and does not attempt to claim it.
The purpose of laws for international war is to create a standard that’s applied equally to everyone. Israel (and the US, too) seems to think that standard only applies to their enemies.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments
I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.
On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.
Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.
If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.
i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.
I’ll engage just in case, but yeah this is very wrong. First, until 2006 the West Bank and Gaza were under one government, so the idea that the West Bank alone accepted any terms is very interesting, to say the least. Second, Israeli bullshit peace offers are too many so just say which one you want and I’ll explain why it was bullshit. The only exception was the Oslo accords in 1993-1995, but those fell through when the Israeli PM was fucking assassinated by a Zionist and replaced by Bibi, who called the whole thing off.
This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.
It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.
Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.
No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.
Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.
Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.
On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.
They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.
Israel has offered Palestine peace treaties, even willing to make Jerusalem, the capital of their government, into a neutral zone. West Bank was for that, but Hamas responded by launching another terrorist attack. I mean, we can go back further and further in history, saying, “Uhm actually this is who started it”, and we’d be all day until we’re arguing over cavemen.
I don’t like Israel, if that’s what you want to hear.
Ah yes, that’s why Jerusalem is now their unofficial capital. And seriously if you truly believe Israel is not to blame here you are living in a parallel reality.
Check Wikipedia or any other respecting human rights organisation what they think about the conflict and stop repeating your country’s propaganda.
And even if it was all Hamas fault, the military wing is 30K only and you already killed more than 11K believe it or not and destroyed a good chunk of civilian infrastructure and residential buildings, forcibly displacing people, which accounts for war crimes, which by the way are well documented.
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments. We can’t trust Israel’s claims when it comes to human shields. They have a track record of lying about it. Check out what happened in the Great March of Return in 2021-- IDF snipers killed 185 unarmed adults and 35 children. Israel claimed each of them were being used as a human shield. However, “human shield” refers to civilian deaths when targeting militants in combat. If all those journalists, medics, children, and unarmed activists were human shields, who were they shielding? Killing that many unarmed protestors would be a war crime, if we bothered to hold a tribunal. Israel is using the fog of war today to make their claims seem reasonable, but just two years ago the IDF showed an undeniable pattern of killing innocent people then lying about it.
Furthermore, if we’re going to accept Israel’s claims that Hamas is using human shields and their flawed definition of what a “human shield” is, then we also must accept that Israel uses human shields, too. The majority of their military bases are in densely populated areas. Their army broadcasts from a residential tower. The IDF’s main HQ is in the middle of a residential and shopping sector in Tel Aviv. Is anyone accusing Israel of using human shields? On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
What this really is is a double standard. Israel uses the “human shield” defense for any civilian they kill in an attempt to give themselves international support under the color of law, but Hamas does not get that privilege and does not attempt to claim it.
The purpose of laws for international war is to create a standard that’s applied equally to everyone. Israel (and the US, too) seems to think that standard only applies to their enemies.
I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.
They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.
Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.
If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.
i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.
Bruh are you calling what’s going on in the West Bank peace? These people are the victims of an explicit genocide campaign.
No. I said that West Bank accepted peace treaties but Hamas refused them every single time, thus ending the treaties.
The West Bank isn’t ruled by Hamas, they have zero presence there. You have a very limited perspective on this.
never said they were. however they are in the West Bank
Hamas can’t refuse a treaty for a territory they do not rule. Your argument is still ridiculous on its face.
I’ll engage just in case, but yeah this is very wrong. First, until 2006 the West Bank and Gaza were under one government, so the idea that the West Bank alone accepted any terms is very interesting, to say the least. Second, Israeli bullshit peace offers are too many so just say which one you want and I’ll explain why it was bullshit. The only exception was the Oslo accords in 1993-1995, but those fell through when the Israeli PM was fucking assassinated by a Zionist and replaced by Bibi, who called the whole thing off.
I was referencing the Oslo Accords, yes. However, I’m curious about your saying that Bibi called it off.
I thought it was because of attacks from jihadist groups who weren’t in favour of the accords started attacking again.
This war most assuredly began then as 0 IDF forces were in Gaza for years prior.
This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.
It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.
If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.
Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.
oh man hamas are known for being very honourable regarding war crimes. we should defend them.
No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.
Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.
how would you de-escalate the slaughter of 823 civilians, 276 soldiers, 57 policemen and 10 Shin Bet members, and the capturing of 247 civilians and soldiers, annnd the 100–200 civilians and soldiers missing?
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.
Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.
bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.
None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.
On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.
They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.
Israel has offered Palestine peace treaties, even willing to make Jerusalem, the capital of their government, into a neutral zone. West Bank was for that, but Hamas responded by launching another terrorist attack. I mean, we can go back further and further in history, saying, “Uhm actually this is who started it”, and we’d be all day until we’re arguing over cavemen.
I don’t like Israel, if that’s what you want to hear.
Ah yes, that’s why Jerusalem is now their unofficial capital. And seriously if you truly believe Israel is not to blame here you are living in a parallel reality.
Check Wikipedia or any other respecting human rights organisation what they think about the conflict and stop repeating your country’s propaganda.
And even if it was all Hamas fault, the military wing is 30K only and you already killed more than 11K believe it or not and destroyed a good chunk of civilian infrastructure and residential buildings, forcibly displacing people, which accounts for war crimes, which by the way are well documented.
Well too bad, because UNICEF does.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/world/gaza-death-toll-accuracy-unicef-intl-hnk/index.html
Here’s a better source: https://www.unicef.org/appeals/state-of-palestine/situation-reports
Certainly a difficult situation considering Hamas set up operations in civilian structures
This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)
Israel Lowers Oct. 7 Death Toll Estimate to 1,200
I did source my claim.
This is ironic because it’s the exact attitude that lots of people have about the IDF
yes that was the point