If you actually read the article, you see that this problem is 100% solvable if you use a VPN.
Or using i2p
Aye if you want mid-90s download speeds
The speeds are as fast (or slow) as the slowest member in the chain. If most people who participate have slow connections, then most of the times it’ll be slow. But if the majority uses fast connections, then most chains/tunnels will be fast.
Again, it’s a chicken and egg problem: people who want fast downloads (and thus have fast pipes) won’t participate because it’s slow, but in doing so, they miss a chance to be part of the solution.
i2p isn’t that slow. Tor is slow.
That’s what I understood too, but I thought I was wrong since this group can not be that stupid.
Yep
This is for the Netherlands, but it’s about the anti-piracy group not allowing defeats in court on the basis of GDPR and ISP refusal get in the way of a good harassment.
Good read if you want higher blood pressure.
Most seedboxes are in Netherlands.
And most seedboxes are unlikely to be matched to a specific identity unless the box provider cooperates, which looking at their reason for circumventing ISPs I’d guess won’t really happen unless ordered to by court.
🤔 Why is that?
How ironic
“injured rights holders”
🙄🙄🙄🙄🤮
If a rights holder claims injury, I should be allowed to make it true by stealing their car.
What I don’t understand is how an IP address used as an identity? If you have CG-NAT there’s a good chance you share your IP with 5-6 other people (even more possibly). Alternatively you can say I keep my WiFi open for guests so anyone can walk by my house and torrent on my IP (idk NL law but maybe the court will consider this negligence)
People behind cgnat is probably less likely to seed and thus less likely to get their IP address logged by these outfits. That’s just my pet theory though, not sure how to confirm it. Anyone ever heard of someone behind cgnat and still got the love letter?
My ISP uses CGNAT but I have a public static IP from them. 10+ years of heavy usage and not a single letter.
But are you sure you’re not sharing that ip with others?
It’s a public static IP, no one else is on it except for me :)
This is a good way to hide, actually. Port forwarding connections are easier to trace long-term. If you make the downloader port forward instead of the uploader, the one who’s easily traced is the one who’s in less trouble and the real targets stay hidden. But leechers are lazy and won’t do that. Some Scene FTPs do this.
Idk about the “less likely” demographics. My ISP had static IP until they dropped it for dynamic IP behind a CGNAT, and no longer offered the chance to buy a static IP.
Use a VPN. Keep Sailing.
Use a multi hop VPN that doesn’t advertise next to raid shadow legends
Even if they do make it to court; how do they plan on translating an IP address into the ID of the actual infringer? (not the ISP subscriber, they can’t be assumed to be the same, particularly in court)
Just because I pay for my families internet connection doesn’t make me responsible, culpable, or even aware of their activities. Even less so now that I’m not going to receive any notice of potentially illicit activity.
If they could haul people into court based on just an IP and get somewhere useful, they’d have done it hundreds of thousands of times over already.
Fuck this group with an engorged cactus. Pieces of shit.
BREIN. There’s an evil villain name if I ever saw one.
If fact, I think the bad guy from Half-Life 2 had that name.
Breen
Sounds the same, i never played with subtitles. XD
Many copyright holders believe that if they’re able to communicate with pirates, a proportion will change their behavior.
Yes, they will probably be more careful next time
When the day comes that Brein starts sending notices to pirates, these pirates will just move to Newsgroups and VPNs.
Funny enough, on the related articles there’s one about them tracking down Usenet uploaders somehow
Dutch company sends pirates dick pics with ominous warnings as a means of fearmongering for the pirates
One thing I always find curious is these “rights holders” assuming a 100% sales conversion from piracy when, in reality, it’s probably closer to 1-10%
Plus, there are studies that show piracy can actually be a positive factor for sales in some cases.
I can see that - if you’re pirating you’ll just take anything because there’s no cost, but if you’re buying something it has to be worth it.
I doubt it’s even positive.
I suspect this is not going to go well when they find poor people who torrent for the community and try to squeeze them for blood in the courts, or find that an academic server is used to seed in it’s idle time.
This figured into the cruel, heartless reputations of the MPA and RIAA that persist to this day.
Have the MPA and RIAA stopped being cruel and heartless?
They’ve turned away from suing pirates directly for alleged costs, because telling a little girl she owes you thousands for downloading a song is really not a good look.
So they’ve been trying to convince the ISPs to deny service to people, but the ISPs don’t want to piss off their own customers (any more than they already do with hidden fees and crappy service).
Yeah, it says that they’re all “well we would have rather do it the other way for your sakes” but the fact is that if they thought they could reliably obtain money this way they’d be doing it already. A ton of legal fees are going to be wasted pursuing people they can’t catch for one reason or another, meaning that their desire to make the pirates pay their costs isn’t going to work as reliably as they’d want.
BRB switching my VPN location to the fucking NETHERLANDS
Can someone TL;DR the actual “worse” thing?
They will skip the notice via proxy (your ISP passing a notice to you without identifying you to the claimant) and go straight to court to have the ISP forced to provide the ID of the subscriber for a specific IP observed to be active torrenting copyrighted materials.
Then they’ll attempt to recover those court costs from that subscriber as well as sue them for the original copyright infringement.
I think they’ll have quite an uphill battle with that approach, particularly when trying to prove the subscriber to an internet connection is also responsible for, let alone aware of, the alleged infringement. If it was that easy, they wouldn’t have bothered with notices to begin with.
Yeah this happened during the Napster era and it was so incredibly unpopular and unsympathetic with the general public that it didn’t continue after a while. Suing a single mom on food stamps for thousands of dollars because her teenage son downloaded a game one time is a truly abominable look for a company.
Dutch anti-piracy group BREIN
How sad do you have to be
It’s not really a group. More of a full commercial organization
I’m honestly surprised people still don’t use a seed box…
because most of the people only use public trackers and for public trackers you really don’t need anything besides vpn.
What if your seedbox is located in the Netherlands? (Mine is…)
As long as the Netherlands have no extradition treaty with your country, and you have no assets in the Netherlands, you should be fine.
Asking the same question as well. What counties would be best to have a seedbox in.
Time to get a different seed box, then.
Mine is too, I’m not worried ;)
What are the prices of these nowadays, and how hard to setup? Got a recommendation?
Depends on which plan and provider you go thru. I’ve been with mine for quite a few years, pay $7.62/month. I get 2TB of storage, 4TB of traffic (if you use ftp/sftp to download/stream your files, it doesn’t count against that, so mine goes all to seeding). Download speed is unlimited, upload speed is 50000 Mbps.
It’s not hard at all, you have a control panel where you can one-click install your choice of torrent app and web client, then you just use web client (which looks identical to the desktop app, at least in my situation with rtorrent/rutorrent). Other apps available on my plan for one-click install are: Airsonic Advanced, Audiobookshelf, Autobrr, Bazarr, Deluge, Doplarr, Filebrowser, FlareSolverr, Jackett, JDownloader2, Jellyseerr, LazyLibrarian, Lidarr, MariaDB, Medusa, Mylar3, Nextcloud, NZBGet, NZBHydra2, Ombi, Overseerr, Prowlarr, pyLoad-ng, qBittorrent, Radarr, Radarr2, Readarr, Resilio Sync, SABnzbd, SickChill, Sonarr, Sonarr2, Syncthing, Tautulli, The Lounge, Transmission, WireGuard, ZNC. If you want to run Plex, Jellyfin or Emby on the seedbox you’ll have to get one of the higher tier plans. I used to download movies/tv shows over sftp and used to run plex on my home network, but now I just point VLC to SFTP path of the movie/tv show I wanna watch and it streams flawlessly (home connection is 300/10).
Feel free to DM me if you’d like more details about who I use.Ohh, I had no idea those come with easy installs of the *arr stack. Too bad about jellyfin being locked to higher tiers but manual streaming doesn’t seem that complicated either.
I have a vpn through a proton mail plan but it was giving some p2p errors last time I tried it, maybe setting that up properly would be a better first step if it’s possible.
Thanks for a detailed answer!
edit: Ahh, proton vpn p2p support is locked behind a higher tier, but at ~$7 per month for a seedbox upgrading the proton package might be a better deal in the end
Depends on how much you are willing to pay for size vs speed vs bandwidth.
Can become more costly than simply a VPN and a HDD very quick if you want to get into the long term seeding but also getting new stuff.
How does a seed box protect your anonymity?
On a seedbox you (usually) have a heavily shared ip. As in shared with dozens of other people. So the rights holder cannot identify who of these dozens of users pirated their content and therefore can’t sue.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong
