I will no longer be able to assist with development nor debugging actual issues with the software… Quite juvenile behavior from the devs. It stemmed from this issue where the devs continuously argued in public by opening and closing an issue. Anyway, thought I would keep y’all apprised of the situation, since these are the people maintaining the software you are currently using.
I think that you should update your post with information that this ban is only for 7 days.
This:
I will no longer be able to assist with development
suggests that ban is infinite, which is not true.
Yeah but if you were in this position would really want to contribute again? It’s virtually an indefinite ban when the reason is this absurd.
Yes, If I would contribute to lemmy, I wouldn’t do it for the devs, but for the software and its users.
EDIT: But don’t think that I support nutomic’s reaction to OP’s comments.
Screw that. The devs are a key component in a software project.
By the way, it’s “its* users”.
Where do you see that information? I didn’t even know it was possible to do this until last night so not sure how I’m supposed to know how long it lasts.
Sorry, I assumed that github shows it to you somehow. I know about it from nutomic’s comment
thank you, yes I their comment later on. No, github didn’t even tell me I was banned. I happened to notice because I left the tab open and was moving through them trying to find something else.
Informative, and unfortunate.
100% agree with your take on the original issue - it should be a discussion between the devs, not edging along the lines of an argument. However, I do feel like the discussion would have been better suited to the dev Matrix chat or something
Even if they were upsetted by your comments, banning you was not the right way to handle that IMO.
Just do it like other projects - tag it as enhancement, postpone it forever, be done with it. And in case it’s a useful enhancement, you can see the votes accumulating on the issue and maybe really reconsider implementing it?
Dude, who in their right mind would add scheduling infra to a client like that? 😆 I’m going to need these Lemmy devs to have a tad bit more experience before they start being so dismissive, especially to someone who’s just trying to help.
Hi there more experienced person, would you mind explaining the intricacies of the madness for a lowly n00b?
Is it just 'cause it’d need the client to be constantly running to output the scheduling? So like, you set it to schedule a post and then you have to actually open it as an app before it would actually work if it wasn’t running in the background when the time ticked over? Is there more to it? Any and all details you’d be willing to explain would be appreciated.
Regardless, I hope you have a lovely day and best of luck with everything you’re doing!
Looks like snowe missed the fact that each of those close/reopens were months apart, so it’s clear the issue would ge re-opened, still not addressed after many many months, then closed to clean up the backlog, then re-opened because it actually still has value.
Snowe it seems interpreted this as two people fighting and not just normal stuff that happens on giant repos with many devs.
What he did wrong was comment about behaviors/edicit on a PR, which is not the appropriate place to have that convo.
PR comments are for talking about the PR, not for having meta convos about comments on PRs.
I don’t even participate in this repo, but I can say that snowe was off topic here.
However the owner’s reaction of a whopping seven day ban and “learn your lesson” comment was also abrasive and unreasonable.
Both sides fucked up here, get ya’lls shit together and apologize to each other yo.
You are correct. I didn’t notice that the comments were quite far apart. I was sent that issue by concerned members of my community and I kinda rushed in and commented.
Snowe it seems interpreted this as two people fighting and not just normal stuff that happens on giant repos with many devs.
correct, but it was not simply based on that one Issue. It was based on months of watching their interactions with the community.
PR comments are for talking about the PR, not for having meta convos about comments on PRs.
Then where do you have those conversations? (also it wasn’t a PR, it was an issue) The conversations are about the code and about the decision making process around the code. They belong in a permanent store (not chat) where the decisions can be referenced. Would you recommend creating another separate issue to have the conversation?
I don’t even participate in this repo, but I can say that snowe was off topic here.
I can agree that my second comment was off-topic, but the first comment clearly discussed why the issue should be left open.
However the owner’s reaction of a whopping seven day ban and “learn your lesson” comment was also abrasive and unreasonable.
Honestly that wasn’t the part that frustrated me. It was the no response no warning part of the interaction that was insulting. How am I supposed to know whether they marked my comment off-topic because I commented on the closing of the Issue or because they just didn’t want to talk to users about the problem? How was I supposed to know that I was even going to get a ban (I didn’t even know you could ban people and I have over a hundred repos on GH) for continuing to comment? And finally how was I supposed to even know that the ban was temporary? All the lack of communication did was lead to me making this post. If I had known it was only 7 days I probably wouldn’t have done anything at all. Just let it pass, as waiting a week to respond is nothing in OSS land.
Both sides fucked up here, get ya’lls shit together and apologize to each other yo.
I’ve already talked to Dessalines about it. Not sure what to do about Nutomic.
Are you actually /banned/ front participating on GitHub? That seems really petty.
Fork! Fork! Fork!
This is ridiculously petty from the devs, and does make me seriously wonder about Lemmy’s future.
Idk if they care about a particular thing FOOS devs are often petty. I don’t think it’s actually a threat to the project. Like read unix mailing lists from Linus or whoever else, it can get downright toxic. e.g.:
"BULLSHIT. Have you looked at the patches you are talking about? You should have - several of them bear your name. […] As it is, the patches are COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE. […] WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON? " here
I think Linus gets away with a lot because the value Linux delivers is pretty out of this world.
Being rude to people trying to contribute in good faith seems like a way to send them to a competitor and if one exists, that doesn’t bode well for the project.
Opening an issue that is a feature request is hardly a contribution, especially if there are few full time devs it might be a distraction more than a contribution, and there is like 1 open source competitor.
Ideas are free, finished working code is expensive, if the devs think they can’t get to it in the next N years they probably just don’t want to see it.
As I said I don’t buy how this would be an actual problem, maybe it’s rude but who cares, the admin is essentially an end user demanding something, at the end of the day he can write it himself or stfu. The devs time will certainly be spent better almost anywhere else than arguing on a GitHub issue.
Did you look at the subject at hand? It wasn’t a feature request, it was an a bug issue that had been opened by the programming.dev admins back when there were issues with the instance not federating. It seems to me like OP was providing context(after the issue was mysteriously resolved) and the Lemmy dev lost his cool.
The one linked by snowe above and is the cause of this is on a feature request but its not a feature request made by snowe, its one made by dessalines.
All of snowes comments got collapsed due to getting marked as off topic which seems to be making people think hes dessalines when thats another lemmy dev
Snowe in the thread explaining it
The bug report is a different thing from this (although now snowe cant comment on that thread due to being banned and everything there and in some other spots such as a pull request I was making are also marked as off topic). Probably will get resolved by dessalines based on dessalines comment but weve got Pangora being built up as well
Hmm, where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on PCSX2.
Your time and talent is better spent elsewhere. Don’t even think about this any longer.
You wanted to help and they acted in this way. You made yourself clear, so it’s on them to reevaluate.
Your time isn’t free, so don’t spend it on stupid people. I know you’re passionate and want to help, but sometimes it unfortunately comes down to this.
As a frequent user of pcsx2, what’s the drama there?
I tried to submit a patch to disable interlacing and enable full res rendering for Gran Turismo 3.
refractionpcsx2 didn’t like it because the PAL version patch wasn’t fully finished yet. (This was because I literally restarted development in the middle of the PR I made.)
Instead of telling me to resubmit once it’s done, refractionpcsx2 tells me “we don’t want your broken patches”, accuses me of sneaking in stuff and eventually bans me because I gave up on submitting it after growing very frustrated (4 or 5 days of work on the patches).
I made a post in one of the emulation communities here on Lemmy if you want more details.
Just an all round juvenile behaviour from the devs. Would expect a project like this to be more properly managed.
Idk I think y’all are a bit too dramatic lol. Imho you’re reading too much into a small aggression. This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
nothing to do with the future of Lemmy
Let’s not go that far. That said, it’s certainly not everything to do with it either. Let’s call it an indicator and keep an eye on it.
This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
I didn’t say it did. I mentioned that it would affect me, the person who runs the server you’re commenting on. That’s it.
I was referring to other commenters, mb should’ve been clearer about it
It is certainly becoming a pattern. Similar upsets around both moderation and database optimization.
Hey bud when was the last time you went outside for a walk in nature and talked to someone in IRL? Because you seem to have created the most useless drama for yourself.
In in real life lol?
Did I stutter?
You kept posting offtopic comments which added nothing to resolving the issue. So I gave you a seven day ban, hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
Are you 12?
It’s a psyop to make .ml look bad
It’s really effective then, lol.
The comments read like you banned the dev for making a telling point in favor of reopening the ticket.
The lesson I take away is that your ego is more important to you than improving Lemmy.
The issue was already open. I gave a temporary ban for posting pointless complaints which added nothing to resolving the issue.
Talk it out. Slamming a ban on a contributor it’s just immature and damaging
Quite the ego you have there, I bet you’re fun at parties.
Projects fail when developers alienate their contributors. Grow up and act like an adult.
You want to teach a lesson? The only lesson you’re teaching here is that you’re a twat. You get some hardheaded opinion on someone’s suggestion, refuse to listen to anything else, and ban them for explaining themselves. Grow up.
Yeah this guy is acting as if he’s a programming god who created something nobody could. This instance is called programming.dev, filled with programmers who know a little something about this programming thing. I’m a 15yoe self taught data engineer, and if I understand one thing, it is that anybody can learn programming and become great at it. I’m always proud of my code, but I never think my code is perfect. Programming and technology as a whole is constantly evolving, and what was clever/genius/wizardry yesterday is obsolete tomorrow. The only asset to a programmer is to be able to always learn new stuff, because there is always new stuff and better ways to do what you did in the past. I don’t even give detailed directions to my interns because I want to see if they do things in a different way that is better than the way I usually do things.
You demonstrated that you are unaccountable. It’s a lesson for anyone considering investing in this project, indeed.
Can you point us to these comments so we avoid the same fate? Or perhaps contribution guidelines so we understand what to do or not do? I’ve never seen anyone banned for good faith contributions in OSS before.
I tracked down the PR in the screenshot and it seems pretty innocuous.
They’d point you at the code of conduct link found in the very GitHub repo this incident concerns, but then you would realize how many of their own rules they’ve violated.
Reopening the same issue multiple times after it getting closed is a dick move. The contributer was pretty clear about the reasoning why. You are just wasting people’s time with feature requests like that.
you’re misreading the situation. Dessalines (one of the creators of lemmy) opened an issue asking for feedback on a feature. Nutomic (the second creator of lemmy) immediately closed the issue, with no feedback and no discussion. Dessalines opened it again (for good reason, there was no discussion on the topic) and then nutomic closed it again. This continued several times. I then commented about why the feature was useful, and also gave feedback as to why the issue shouldn’t be closed. This was then marked off topic so that my comment wouldn’t be seen (since it made nutomic look bad). I commented again and was immediately banned, no warning, explanation, or discussion, continuing the trend of one of the main lemmy devs not knowing how to work on a major OSS project.
My first comment directly discusses the issue at hand. It wasn’t off topic. It’s clear you didn’t want any feedback on the issue because it makes you look bad. I explicitly talked about how client side scheduling is a bad idea that does not accomplish the goal of scheduling. And then I gave feedback directly concerning the exact issue I was commenting on of how your conduct was unfitting of lead devs of a major software project, where you squabbled in public in a really weird way, and you refused to even think about discussing the topic (closing the issue over and over again when your coworker had opened it and asked for discussion? Really dude?). Then you finally banned me without any warning or discussion of why.
And no, it’s not going to teach me any lesson, all it did was teach the entire community you have no clue how to run an open source software project. No warning, no explanation, just juvenile marking of comments as off topic (they weren’t), closing of the issue your main dev opened and then boom banned.
This isnt the first time Nutomic has reacted in such a egotistical way, especially when someone points out a flaw in the software. I’ve seen a few issues that were actual issues with the software–not feature requests–that he’s closed and dismissed. One of the issues were mine. He definitely needs help with maintaining the software but I dont know how he expects anyone to help with the way he’s been acting.
My comment about scheduling in clients was from January and that option was already discarded by dessalines on the next day. No use in rehashing the same thing ten months later. All you are doing is creating pointless notifications for everyone. I know its not ideal to close and reopen an issue, but really why is it a big deal? We closed hundreds of issues recently which were outdated, invalid or already fixed. I accidentally closed one that still needs to be implemented and dessalines reopened it, so everything is fine. Certainly not a “squabble”, and your comments added nothing at all.
Its true that I shouldnt have given a warning first, but most likely you would have responded with another offtopic complaint so I didnt see any use in that. If you want to complain then do it somewhere else, not on the issue tracker which is meant for getting work done.
You marked all his comments in the federation bug issue off-topic, but none of them seem off topic and give you details which you quote and respond and even ask follow up questions for. How is it anything other than being petty to mark those comments off-topic?
Youre right, my mistake. Ive manually unhidden all his comments, except those in #234.
Thank you
Lemmy is spaghetti code anyway. These guys wouldn’t know design if the golden ratio bonked them over the head in the form of a nautilus shell.
And yet, I don’t know of a better project. Growing, maintained projects will usually get better over time (take major refactors, when being modular, rewritten parts of it etc.). But yeah growing needs to have a healthy and friendly Community Code of Conduct, and that I am more concerned of…
Really?
Mastodon. Firefish. KBin. Pleroma. Pixelfed.
Like, every other instance type on Activitypub. Lemmy doesn’t work better than any of them, it’s just more geared toward community discussion (KBin aside). What Lemmy prospers from isn’t just the project itself, but the communities that happen to have attached themselves to it.
Mastodon - not a link aggregator, tree-threaded, kbin hmm PHP (yuk) and mostly one contributor and by far not as feature rich as lemmy. The rest similarly as Mastodon is not close to reddit as lemmy is.
And yes ActivityPub grows with multiple projects, but I mean specifically something like lemmy or kbin and something that can be a reddit replacement of sorts. There’s a little bit more happening than just ActivityPub behind the scenes btw. And it’s still no small feat to have a platform like Mastodon or lemmy (I think those two are the mostly the forerunners by now). Sure it’s not super complex, but the amount of features are often underestimated by a lot of people (as far as I can read here and often somewhere else, so why is there no real alternative to lemmy yet…?)
Yeah, I mean, that’s fair. I do obviously prefer the discussion format or I’d be off fiddling around with Firefish. But also, like, on another level, the redditesque format seems to bring this inherent negativity, toxicity and one-upping garbage. Though that has gotten a lot worse since the reddit exodus, I think part of that is just people getting back into that familiar comfort zone.
It would be nice to see something that isn’t quite as user-focused as Mastodon or Firefish but isn’t quite designed to be a Reddit clone in a way that might bring something new to the table.
For a Reddit clone one could just use the earlier open source official reddit code release.
Though I’d choose Hubzilla because of Zot. But that’s just me.
Nah the old official reddit code is entirely out of date, writing up something like the original official reddit clone, is not too hard, and I would rather rewrite it (in Rust obviously ^^).
Hubzilla is certainly an interesting and ambitious project (though a PHP codebase repels me a little bit, TBH). Need to check it out further. Zot also sounds interesting. Looks a little bit like a swiss-army-knife sandbox-toolkit of federated social networks.
I wanted to run an instance myself but find the info and user-base lacking. Like I really want to like Hubzilla.
You are right, it is very ambitious and it is a bit sad to not see it gather more traction.
hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
Egos are terribly ugly. Please put yours away.
I agree. That’s why Rosanne has no ego. You go girl!
Lemmy needs a fork, if only to kick the devs into gear with regards to actually working with/listening to the community. At this point a significant number of users have been lost because the devs have been largely unable to capitalize on previous waves on growth due to slow development. It’s one thing if it’s just a couple of devs working on the project and trying their best, it’s an entirely different thing when a couple of devs are shutting out large numbers of contributors (frequently subject matter experts which they desperately need at this point) over relatively trivial issues. This isn’t the first time this has happened and it won’t be the last. Mbin is reviving Kbin as a project and we need something similar for Lemmy.
Lemmy is such junk the community should toss it and start elsewhere.
Yeah, I’d tend to agree. Lemmy’s codebase is pretty atrocious and it looks like the main devs really don’t know Rust well enough, and honestly they don’t seem to be very good at developing a service like this. There’s just no reason to go with Rust for a web service project like Lemmy (despite what Rust cultists will undoubtedly soon come to tell me), it limits the amount of people who can work on it due to not being as commonly used in this particular field, and it’s honestly baffling how they managed to use Rust and make the service as slow as it is – speaks volumes of how shitty the design is, and that they’re doing something fairly stupid with their database.
despite what Rust cultists will undoubtedly soon come to tell me
And here I am :)
There’s a lot of reasons to go with Rust (and least of all performance), especially as web-backend. Top-notch libraries/ecosystem (I work extensively with all kinds of programming languages and most others suck in one way or the other). At this point I dare to say that it has the best ecosystem in this regards. Also a static type-system only being exceeded by Haskell (when talking about general purpose languages, that are actually in use), which makes projects maintainable by a lot of people, especially relevant for an open source project. There’s a reason why a lot of high quality projects are either rewriting or starting in Rust or are thinking to switch to… Etc. don’t want to throw more Rust evangalism at you, since there’s a lot to just google and learn…
Anyway, there were a few changes lately that made federated lemmy better (with the last release especially), the initial bugs I accept. But I agree, they aren’t veterans from the valley with multiple years of experience, just a bunch of idealists that had an idea and were persistent enough for years to implement it, I certainly have respect for that. What I don’t like, is that they are moderating a little bit too much, not being mostly community focused (among others, to avoid forks). But bringing a federated link aggregator like lemmy to the place where it currently is, at least takes quite a bit of time… So a fork (if really necessary) sounds like the most likely way forward…
I seriously doubt Rust has the best ecosystem for web backend development, and I seriously doubt anybody claiming that knows what they’re talking about
Sure you can doubt me as much as you want (and this is probably a healthy attitude). I tend to educate myself, and learn from experience (and that I dare to say, I do have…). As you may have guessed, I really recommend looking into it, there’s so many good design decisions with Rust (and the ecosystem). As a starting point/library: axum would be the web-framework I’d recommend to use (as it uses Rust quite idiomatically). And for e.g. service communication via grpc, tonic is quite nice. As database abstraction layer the last time I have used sqlx which was quite convenient to use. (So far with a “classic” web-stack). And rust-analyzer is probably the best language server I have used (and felt the fast development over the time (with “successful” switch of the maintainer), which speaks for itself as well…).
Btw. it also really depends on what you actually mean with “web backend development”. I.e. “just” writing a web-server that takes connections via HTTP or something deeper the stack…
I like your attitude and approach to this conversation. Thanks for not escalating into a useless argument and making the discussion educational.
I mean, “best” is infinitely subjective. I would be inclined to think any anyone who says “php is the best backend software ecosystem for web” doesn’t care much about programming and are really only in the business of making money. Rust is at the creative forefront right now, it makes sense a bunch of pissed off people chose rust to make a reddit clone, it would be challenging to draw passionate engineers to a php or java project; it gives a way to draw more helpful attention (which they are as we now see squandering)
Sorry, which account is yours?
The inflammatory one
Lemmy is self-destructing.
Part of this is simply replication of Reddit’s interface design, which incentivizes bad behavior by users. But the other part is the devs. I trace this back to Eric S. Raymond’s essay, Cathedral and the Bazaar, which popularized the notion of emergent software design by devs merely ‘scratching their itch’ (personal interest). Raymond argued for design by emergence from Complexity Theory. The presumption of which is evolution toward greater compexity and user utility by populism as a fitness function, which he believed would drive software to best case optimization or death by disuse. In other words, good design will succeed while bad design will be weeded out by its unpopularity. But it doesn’t work.
As an example, GIMP is one of the results. A mess of poorly documented modules, none of which in aggregate do the task (replacing Photoshop) it was meant to achieve. FOSS advocates (none of whom actually use the software) still promote GIMP as a Photoshop replacement and cannot see how this design philosophy has resulted in continual failure. But among general users, those who recognize the software as terrible in comparison to commercial alternatives, they know and avoid it like the software plague it is. Only those who can’t avoid it, Linux users who have no other option, or the very poor who can’t afford Affinity on Win or Mac, would bother trying to cram GIMP into their workflow.
The FOSS projects which have succeeded did so at the behest of devs who acted as benevolent dictators, people who are software design savvy and use that deep skill without concern for the interests and desires of incompetent or newly minted devs. Some examples: Richard Stallman (GNU), Linus Torvalds (Linux kernel), Ton Roosendaal (Blender), etc. They develop by Cathedral methods, and therefore their projects succeeded.
Lemmy will go the way of GIMP. A bunch of kids who have no idea why Reddit succeeded, but who think it would be fun to software play. Get BeeHaw off this software and away from these toxic devs. There are better designed FOSS alternatives. Not least of which is HubZilla and Zot.
I have GIMP and Photoshop installed and have at all times for well over a decade. I literally only use GIMP and I use it nearly every single day. Photoshop does some fancy stuff that GIMP isn’t as good at, but as far as basic image editing? Give me the lightweight FOSS client with a sleek minimalist UI that’s been the same for ages over some bulky corporate offering that loves to move things around and change its appearance just to look new.
I agree that Lemmy is a mess, but GIMP is the wrong target for this post. It’s fantastic.
Don’t kid the userbase here.
GIMP does not have a nondestructive workflow. There are no nondestructive adjustment layers, like Ps has had since 1997. It just implemented multiselect for layers in the BETA, which Ps has done since Photoshop 3.0 in 1993. There are no nondestructive layer styles for text. Therefore, it is impossible to properly composite an image in GIMP. One must rasterize every composite, making it impossible to create and rearrange adjustment stacks for image compositing. Something that has been industry standard for over twenty-five years. On the layer styles front, one must rasterize text before any kind of effect can be added. Which is the same problem with forcing the rasterization of adjustments. If it doesn’t look the way you intended, you’re fucked.
No other commercial app works this way.
In fact, the FOSS painting program Krita has nondestructive adjustments and layer styles.
And it is THIS which angers me even more than the pathetic failure of GIMP: FOSS advocates continuing to defend this nonsense.
I’m not kidding anyone. I might not have the same needs or standards as you do, but I absolutely do prefer GIMP and use it over Photoshop. Yeah, there are limitations. I didn’t say it was a better program. Yes, it can be kind of annoying to have to make changes to text. And yes, if your work flow requires you to have these tools it probably isn’t a solution for you.
But frankly, people don’t all need to do things the same way. I’m sure you’re capable of producing something that looks better than much of my output in half the time and have a much more efficient workflow. Cool. But that doesn’t mean I’m some kind of imaginary non-person because I actually enjoy using GIMP.
Why on Earth does that make you angry? It’s literally not even any of your business.
If I used a different kind of paintbrush than you, would that matter? Literally who cares?
Krita sounds cool and I’ll probably check it out, but chances are very good that I continue to use GIMP in addition to whatever else I might find useful simply because I like it and I’m comfortable with it.
Why in the world should that make anyone angry? It’s okay for people to like different things.
By all means, if you prefer GIMP to Ps, that’s on you.
But this tool is not viable for any kind of commercial work. Forcing rasterization before applying adjustments or effects means you can’t remove or rearrange adjustments and effects if it isn’t what was intended. And the GIMP approach of just copying a layer and reverting back is completely b0rked, because adjustments are applied in stacks. Meaning, one doesn’t just apply one adjustment, one must apply several. And the order of those adjustments, along with their blending modes, affects the outcome. Therefore, compositing quickly becomes a task with vast potential orderings in the stack. Never mind each change to an adjustment when tweaking an image. A nondestructive workflow makes this possible. GIMP’s rasterization “workstoppage” means it’s literally impossible to properly composite in that tool.
I don’t know how you use GIMP. If it works for you, by all means, enjoy. But for serious work, GIMP cannot be relied upon.
I edit photography and for serious work, I agree with you. The FOSS lover in me really, really wanted to like GIMP but I find myself just having it there, taking space most of the time. For light work and simple touch up work GIMP is fine, but if I already have Ps or hell, even Lightroom fired up, then I might as well used those for quick fixes as they exist closer or are part of my regular workflow. Guess the issue seems to come down to if you are willing to pay for the software. If one wants to spend $0, or one has light-use needs, then the use case for GIMP increases. But if you need more professional software, then you are likely to just pay for the industry standard for the extra features.
That is not to say that GIMP is useless, which is what I think some people may be thinking. I have been meaning to look at Krita, if only due to curiosity for a while. So thanks for reminding me.
I love the Adobe suite. I just hate Adobe, the company. Lol
I’m running Linux now and there’s no choice but the free tools. My workaround is to do cutouts and background recreation in GIMP. I prefer how it handles transparency masks and clipping over Krita. And the ability to use a saved path as a guideline with snapping is useful. Then all layers are exported and imported to Krita for composite with adjustment layers. Any text is done there for layer styles. Or, stuff from GIMP goes straight into Blender or Resolve.
But if a client demands Adobe, and they’re willing to pay, no worries. I’ll fire up win and run Adobe. But I have completely moved off Maya to Blender for a variety of reasons. Mostly because none of my clients require it anymore. Corporate clients tend to prefer Adobe still. The mom and pops tend to like the entire tool chain being free.
But without a doubt Ps blows away GIMP and Krita together, never mind separately. Frankly, I’d prefer Ae to Fusion too. But Blender has made up for most of the limitations of Fusion. And the rest of Resolve is fantastic.
As we say here: cheh
