Craig Mokhiber, director of human rights body, accuses the US, UK and much of Europe as ‘wholly complicit in the horrific assault’

  • bh11235@infosec.pub
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    11 months ago

    When the one-state solution is established and the Gaza border is removed, 3 weeks later there will be 7/10-style pogroms in Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. You and all your fellow-travelers will regard these with the exact same indifference-at-best, glee-at-worst with which you regarded the original 7/10 attack; you will argue on humane grounds against every practical course of action to prevent more pogroms from happening in the future, just like you are doing now. The effective end result will be the wet dream of every antisemite, and this was clear from the start. But you didn’t want this, you just wanted peace – no borders, no countries, nothing to kill and die for and no religion too, and all of that. So you can’t possibly be held responsible for this outcome that will very obviously happen, and that some of your definitely not antisemite allies are now rooting for with glee, egging you on and saying “yeah yeah sure, peace, no borders, no wars, ha ha”. Your hands are clean.

    I know the drill: How dare I complain about that outcome when Palestinians have to suffer right now in the present every day! And all right, let’s grant that: how dare I complain. Indeed everything I have written above is morally bankrupt without a way forward and a solution to Palestinian suffering. But see, we’re on the same page after all: in our heart of hearts we both know what “from the river to the sea” means.

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      11 months ago

      So your philosophy is: we have to kill them first, otherwise they’d kill us?

      Doesn’t seem like there’s any de-escalation from that position.

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      11 months ago

      Now hold on… Your claim here is that, if there were a one-state solution, that the Palestinians would somehow, magically, gain the upper hand on Israelis and set up pogroms (just going to set aside the irony here that the Israeli government is literally doing this to Palestine at this moment, and have been since long before this current outbreak)? The people who’ve been living in an open-air prison, or who’s property has been illegally stolen from right under their feet?

      Where will all of this power have suddenly come from? They’ve been oppressed for generations. Israel has the backing of the most powerful military on the planet. Please, explain to me how the Palestinian people are going to suddenly pull an “Uno Reverse” card and gain all of the power in the region.

      Give me a fucking break. And before you pivot and make this about the idea of a 1-state solution, while ignoring the rest of my comment. Just don’t. I have made zero claims as to my views on 1-state vs. 2-state solutions.

    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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      11 months ago

      Well firstly any settler with citizenship elsewhere should leave if possible. A large percentage of Israelis are first generation settlers.

      Obviously a completely borderless Palestine wouldn’t happen immediately, it would have to take quite some time and possible administrated by some outside force for some time.

      Unfortunately decades of stealing homes and land, and killing thousands does tend to leave some harsh feelings eh?