Doesn’t help that sex keeps being written into shows where it doesn’t belong.
It’s trying to make a show “more adult” in literally the most childish way possible.
That Halo show is a good example of completely needless sex scenes.
I’d completely forgotten about the Halo show in general, and now you’ve just reminded me of Master Cheeks all over again :(
All I know about the Halo show is that it ignores the entirety of the Halo lore in order to basically try to be a note for note rip off of the Mandalorian. But the fact that it has sex scenes bothers me, I mean isn’t it cannon that the Spartan project killed Master Chiefs libido and therefore he is effectively asexual?
The rate at which the Spartan II augmentations killed people’s sex drive is overstated quite a bit, but yeah Chief doesn’t really show to have much of a libido (from what I’ve read, only at Ghosts of Onyx so far), and having this alternate version of Chief be so unhinged as to bang a POW really goes against canon Chief’s single minded dedication to his missions.
Every show needs a romantic subplot. Its fundamental to the marketing.
I want romance in my romance and rom-coms. I do not want it in my action, thriller, history, sci-fi, fantasy, comedy, or biographical movies. Unless, and this is key, unless it legitimately adds to the movie.
I don’t mind sex scenes but I’m so over forced, low stakes, softcore sex scenes between characters that have nonexistent chemistry.
I still think it’s best when it’s artfully implied and brief between characters with chemistry.
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Top Gun Maverick did it perfectly IMO.
I was getting all concerned I was going to have watch ageing Tom Cruise do his thing, but they did a 90s soap opera option and panned away. They knew the audience understood and didn’t need to see. I was so relieved and surprised.
Actually I think they have the same problem with it we Millennials do, and that we don’t find it Charming when a guy acts like a total creep and is rewarded for it because the movie was written by total creeps. Or if our lead is a woman, I’m tired of hearing about how successful and fulfilled she is with her brilliant career that no one takes seriously, because she hasn’t found the right man yet, but then she does and discovers that all of her problems are solved by his penis. Because those movies are also made by creeps
I was thinking this too. Also, not EVERYTHING needs to have a love story jammed into it. There are so many situations that you can tell they shoehorned one in in order to pull a specific demo and it’s totally not necessary for the story
First of all. Are there any stories without sex/romance? I personally would love the occasional platonic story. About people who aren’t all trying to get in eachothers pants.
I’m not Gen Z (Millenial) but I do get tired of being bombarded with sex, making out, etc. If it’s done well and integral to the plot, then it’s fine. But honestly less is more. Do I really need a camera to closeup pan the full length of someone’s naked body to realize what’s going on? After a while it just gets weird, like I am legit waching porn here, am I supposed to be aroused?
The other problem is how flawless they look. I wouldn’t mind seeing some real, average looking people for a change. Hold hands or awkwardly kiss after knowing eachother a few months or years, not like “oh hi we just met and it’s the two of us alone how convenient hehe guess there’s nothing left to do but use our perfect bodies for totally fake sex”.
Has anyone ever had sex and thought afterwards, wow that was just like TV/movies/whatever? In my experience it’s both more awkward and way hotter. They’re not going to script all the little things we enjoy in reality…
Are there any stories without sex/romance?
Dredd 2012. Judge Dredd takes on a female apprentice Anderson for a training day. They mop the floor with gangsters and crooked cops. It’s a non-stop action thrill ride.
No romance. No sexual tension. They do their jobs.
Dredd 2012. Judge Dredd takes on a female apprentice Anderson for a training day. They mop the floor with gangsters and crooked cops. It’s a non-stop action thrill ride.
I absolutely love the part when Dredd is extremely injured and basically walking wounded, Anderson saves him from being executed, and it’s the perfect time for the Hollywood ‘Anderson nurses Dredd back from near death.’
But what happens? Dredd just field dresses himself, and it’s not romantic, at all. She literally covers him while he does it, and then they move on.
Are there* any stories without sex/romance?
There can be. But what if that made you to look other problems of the life? Like poverty and misguided education to help capitalism or like health problems caused by environmental changes or war for drug money? That is why they stick to the emotional side of humans, love of a partner or care of a parent.
First of all. Are there any stories without sex/romance?
Alien and Aliens stand out, and as the poster below said, Dredd as well.
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Space Jam
Doom, Event Horizon, Hereditary, Silence of the Lambs, The Big Short, Frank… There’s heaps of movies out there for us people who steer well clear of romance. They’re just not mainstream and I’m fine with that.
The only romance movies I really like are The Wedding Singer, 50 First Dates and the 1995 Pride and Prejudice series. I think it’s because the characters actually have depth and are fun to watch.
What TV-series is this: «Tits and dragons»
Oppenheimer: A man intertwined with US nuclear policy, both when creating the first nuke, and during the cold war. Political intrigue mixed with science!
Execs: “What if it had a sex scene?”
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Execs (apparently): What if we chose to explore his flaws by showing that he had an extramarital affair?"
Puritans: This biopic should really only show his other flaws. And political intrigue. Sex wouldn’t make sense in an R rated film.
One of many extramarital affairs apparently.
Imagine thinking Nolan listens to execs when making movies. That hasn’t been the case since The Dark Knight.
Also, Oppenheimer was a known womanizer.
What if we had a sex scene in the middle of a board meeting?
Every member of the executive board high fiving and wolf whistling
Just make something that isn’t the exact same fucking thing I’ve seen 12 times, fuck
It makes the studio money so it’s what gets green lit. Trying something new is risk. If could tank. Status quo FTL.
I think Team America: World Police proved that boring Hollywood sex isn’t what the people want.
Recycling scripts and dragging 80 year old actors out of retirement makes for cheaper SEO and a higher gross from millennials/boomers.
New shit is risky, which means lower yield into the next quarter.
Also, copywriter/contract laws require media to use it or lose it. So you’re going to get an X-Men movie every five years whether you like it or not.
Copyright is NOT use it or lose it. Franchising licensing contracts might occasionally have such terms but that’s not the primary reason, these companies just don’t like risk
Franchising licensing contracts might occasionally have such terms
X-Men and Spiderman both revert to Marvel if they aren’t used… I want to say every five years.
Fantastic Four was acquired by Disney in '19, so that one is a moot point.
It never bothered me as a kid, but now for some reason I get triggered by the way Hollywood portrays romance. Why is everyone such a HUGE slut? It’s such a huge turn off. It is actually really hard to find a film that portrays a healthy loving monogamous relationship.
Turns out, the people who have private sex islands have a terrible view on relationships.
It’s not even just about the sex scenes. How many loving sitcom couples/families routinely lie to each other?
Hint: you should stop watching orgy porn
Ok grandpa
Defining a healthy relationship as strictly monogamous
That’s not the only way to interpret it. I read it as “healthy AND loving AND monogamous”, meaning monogamous relationships do get tons of recognition, but they’re often very unhealthy relationships.
Bit sensitive? That charity wasn’t what they were saying
just cut to a train entering a tunnel and fade to black
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The Hayes code sucked, but the way directors needed to be creative to get around it was great. Modern directors could learn a lot about making romantic relationships smolder and using innuendo instead of adding cheap sex.
That’s not just a Gen Z thing, nobody I’ve ever talked to likes sex scenes.
Most of them are just dumb. Like a guy finds out his mom just died in a bear attack, so he and his coworker have passionate sex for the first time.
Ah, bear-grief sex.
A classic.
Different times. When I was growing up, a sex scene in a movie might be one of very few opportunities where you got to see a pair of boobs, unless you could get someone to buy you a porno magazine or VHS tape. These days, there are probably millions of options in this area, instantly accessible. And Hollywood-produced nude/sex scenes are all going to be fake and cringy in comparison.
Well no shit. Nobody wants to watch sex scenes with their parents, and when rent costs 3 used cars per month they don’t have a ton of choice.
I’m with Gen Z here. They’re absolutely right
Yup, especially as a gay, sex scenes in movies have always been “I’m fine with straight people existing, but I don’t want them rubbing my face in it” at best … and it’s rarely at best, with all the chemistry of a jar of nitrogen.
Is it just Gen Z?
Most movie sex scenes are terrible. They fail as both pornography and as literary devices.
When you put a sex scene, or any other scene in a movie it has to serve some purpose. It can move the plot along, it can show the characters emotions or it can just be there for titillation. If it’s just there because someone thinks that the main characters are supposed to smash, it’s dumb.
I remember that when we rented “Basic Instinct” you knew how often people re-watched the interrogation scene because the old VHS tapes would get worn at that spot and you could see the screen artifacts.
Two things made that worth watching. The whole movie was about sex so it made sense, both in the movie and for the character. The way to get porn at the time was to walk into a store and buy a magazine. And Sharon Stone was hot, OK 3 reasons.
There absolutely are movies where the sex scenes make sense and are important. David Kronenberg’s “Crash” and Kimberly Peirce’s “Boys Don’t Cry”, would have been weird if they didn’t include the sex scenes or just left them implied.
The sex scene in, “Team America: World Police”, worked because it was a satire of sex scenes in movies.
Pornhub works because their scenes are very explicit.When you have a boring, unironic, semi-artistic sex scene in a movie that’s not otherwise about sex, it’s just a distraction.
When you have a boring, unironic, semi-artistic sex scene in a movie that’s not otherwise about sex, it’s just a distraction.
I don’t disagree. But I do see room to expand the definition.
Recently, I’ve been introducing my partner to The Sopranos for the first time (we’re in s3). I think there are legitimate depictions of sex in the series. They only appear briefly to help illustrate what types of people the characters are. They’re quick and out of the way. Like, oh, that guy’s fucking her, now let’s move on to the dialog that happens after. It’s when we see that these are characters who have sex as opposed to seeing the sex that makes the difference, imo.
You just described the average 80’s movie with your last paragraph.
Some, but remember that the only way that get real porn was to go to a store and buy a physical thing. Aside from the convenience there was a stigma to buying porn and it’s illegal for kids to buy. For a horny kid in the 80’s, light on-screen T&A and a Victoria’s Secret Catalog was a pretty good substitute.
I gave up on movies in like '09. No I do not want to see your 5,000th Marvel movie or remake of an 80s movie, regardless of sex scenes, thanks.
That’s oddly about the time I started to become disenchanted with most contemporary cinema. Both parents worked in the Industry, dad was a voting member of the Academy for many years. The Oscars were–no exaggeration–the Holiest night on our family calendar. I even got to attend in person once. (The one where Benigni climbed up on the furniture–'99.)
Then THE ARTIST won best picture (2011). 🤦♂️
I stopped watching the Oscars completely about 5 years ago. The only enthusiasm I can muster anymore is new films by old masters (PTA, Scorsese, Tarantino, etc.)
As much as I like the Marvel movies, or rather did, the problem is that they were never a series of movies, and it could be argued that they should not be taken seriously as pieces of Cinema at least as far as movies are concerned. Because they are not movies, it’s more of a continuous show where all the episodes are very long and very expensive. None of them can truly be considered a self-contained experience. Which is a problem the comic book industry faces all the time as they need to continuously find ways to keep things recognizable yet continuously moving in new directions, there isn’t a chance to actually sit down and tell and develop a single story like there is for manga
There’s been great movies made, not all movies are giant studios trying to maximize profits.
But where do we go to find them?
Look at movies that go through film festivals like Cannes or Sundance.
Good tips and I’ll write them down
Tbf I do know that, I have a small “I’ll get to it” list. I’m done with theatres though.
Off the top of my head the list is
1917 Dune
Other than that I do like troma and dumb stuff like that.
