Honestly maybe we should be calling them the tankies at this point
they’re dronies, because they’re in favor of drone strikes
I’m Jonald Brump and I appr — lmost said the quiet part out loud
I like the term “dronies”.
They are actually very consistent and not hypocritical at all if your ideology is colonialism. That’s why calling out hypocrisy doesn’t work, that’s just to keep us busy.
Correct take
Yes, it’s only one political ideology that’s an issue, definitely not all of capitalism and western culture. 🙄
In the end, it’s the same
This was my point, which I guess was missed.
If we were on Reddit I’d say r/woosh
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You’d think they’d be condemning the Ukrainians for using violence against the Russians. But I guess their bloodlust and racism against Slavic people spoke louder.
All of these libs wouldn’t even be talking about Palestine if it weren’t for Hamas. The arrogance of their fake-ass pacifism.
I would argue that there wouldn’t be much of a Palestine left to talk about if it weren’t for Hamas, Israel would have probably successfully purged them from the country. We all saw how effective the last peaceful protest went over.
Ukraine is almost done, I think it will end next year, hopefully Isn’t real will follow pretty soon.
I think there’s high likelihood of that.
I mean … one of these is a violent conflict where mostly civilians are being hit, on both sides. The other is a country defending itself from an invasion. One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much. The other one really isn’t complicated on the same level and violence (defense) is pretty much the only choice.
Yes. The Palestinians are defending themselves from an invasion by another country while Ukraine and Russia will have to find a way to peacefully live next to each other.
Ukraine isn’t “defending itself from an invasion”. Ukraine’s democratically elected government was overthrown by a US sponsored military coup. The coup was carried out by Nazis that want to ethnically cleanse ethnic Russians from the territory. The Russian majority areas voted overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine and called on Russia to protect them when the Ukrainian coup government invaded them.
Russia’s goal is not “conquering all of Ukraine”. Russia’s military objectives are
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Halting the ongoing killing of ethnic Russians in the Donbas Republics by the Ukrainian nazi coup government.
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Disabling the nazi coup government’s military capacity to act as a staging ground for US attacks on Russia.
Russia has continually offered ceasefires with the only substantive condition being “stop killing Russians”, and the nazi coup government has been unwilling to negotiate because the US has told them they’re not permitted to stop killing.
Don’t bother with him; that’s a treat-obsessed techbro peckerwood
Well, that at least explains what community I ended up in. Thanks for the clarification.
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Unfortunately isn’t that simple. If you would like to know more about the Ukrain conflict than please read “How the West Brought War to Ukraine: Understanding How U.S. and NATO Policies Led to Crisis, War, and the Risk of Nuclear Catastrophe” by Benjamin Abelow. It gives a far more balanced en factual analysis about the conflict.
I got a free pdf version here if you are interested.
https://annas-archive.org/md5/193c4b51b5aa5c3270c9163200f0d475
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You want to condense a 65 page book, into a fucking TL;DR and still somehow get a detailed or coherent summary? Fucking really, like who do you think we are? Just read the book, or just go with the goddamn title lacking the How on front.
If they read books they probably wouldn’t be here making that argument.
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I haven’t read the book but here are the broad strokes: NATO is essentially an organization the USA uses to consolidate its vassals in order to destroy Russia, from its very inception. They expanded eastward, breaking promises and treaties and rejecting Russian attempts to join themselves or calls for peace or diplomacy. The war in UKR was purposefully orchestrated with the goal to 1) bleed Russia, eventually leading to hopefully coup and/or balkanization of Russia, 2) force the EU to become more uncritically loyal to the US, cut off their economic ties with RUS and buy USA oil/energy, 3) make a shitload of money for the military industrial complex, make UKR an eternally indebted colony and clean out stock of old ordinance.
Much has happened in the Baltics since WW2, but TLDR USA has trained, armed, bankrolled and PR’d Neo Nazism since forever. The Banderites are UKR’s most popular Neo Nazi movement.
UKR used to be neutral. In 2014 USA violently couped their gov’t and installed a pro-NATO pro-Nazi puppet. Nazis gained power in the military, economic and political bodies. Not wanting to live under Nazis, the ethnically, linguistically, culturally Russian eastern peoples of UKR in the Donbas tried to secede from UKR. For 8 years, UKR Neo Nazi paramilitaries, again abetted by NATO, and eventually the UKR military proper, began slaughtering Donbas civilians, killing about 14k men women and children with snipers, mortars, bombs and ethnic pogroms.
RUS, for 8 years, tried (as they did the entire Cold War) to invoke peace and diplomacy. UKR signed the Minsk II agreements but quickly resumed ignoring and breaking this treaty.
The violence against these ethnic Russians began spilling over the border. The cherry on the cake was that, despite RUS saying years that it was an unacceptable security redline for them, USA began to push UKR to join NATO, wherein nukes would be installed where they could strike Moscow in minutes. Not only were the Banderites killing their own people, and their Russian cousins, and indoctrinating children in school to Nazi ideology, but now a proverbial loaded gun was en route to be pointed in RUS’s face. RUS knew war with UKR was essentially war with USA and the rest of the EU and they prepared their economy for years to withstand the sanctions. They also knew that they essentially had no choice if they wanted to survive in the long term; it was now or never.
It is also important to note that these strategies have much precedent, they are all right out of the USA’s imperial playbook in Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Build up fascists to use as proxy forces, coup sanction assassinate terrorize balkanize villify and nuclearly threaten gov’ts who don’t bend the knee, and above all always provoke war between neighbors; USA is a capitalist oligarchy and its singular most powerful entity is its war lobby.
There is a lot more to say, both broadly and in detail, but that is a summary of the truth, to counter the USA’s narrative where RUS invaded UKR because •checks notes• because Putin is evil and was bored.
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I genuinely recommend reading the book, it won’t take you that long.
Key points I got are:
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Summary of the US policy toward Russia post USSR up to present
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There is a history of NATO moving east, and also a history of US weapons testing near the border and backing out of nuclear and arms treaties.
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Preliminary integration of Ukraine military and economy prior to any admittance into NATO, effectively making them an arm of NATO without formal admission
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A bunch of other history which contextualizes things. Seriously good extra context if you are not familiar with the history.
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Ultimately, the US and NATO are far more at fault for the tensions that led to the current crisis.
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Maybe how the conflict itself came to be isn’t simple (and calling anything simple that involves politics is probably always wrong). But the situation for the people in the Ukraine itself is pretty simple. They’re being attacked and they’re defending themselves.
They’re being attacked
Yet another lib who thinks the conflict started in 2022, and thus has little understanding of it
Many people in Ukraine support Russia’s invasion. Many more are indifferent and just want to steer clear of the war path; millions with consent were evacuated and placed in safety with shelter and food within Russia. On the other hand, Nazi blocking squads working for the Ukraine puppet government will violently, sometimes lethally stop any able bodied people trying to escape. They violently conscripted the men until they started running out and now have been targetting old men, older children and women (not dissimilar to the OG Nazi late war policy of Volksturm). That is to say, even many of the UKR soldiers don’t want to fight against RUS. RUS’s target is not the people of UKR, it is their Neo Nazi NATO puppet government.
By contrast, the target of Israel’s violence is the Palestinian people themselves, they want genocide and expulsion of all non-Jews and Arabs.
One of these is really complicated and I’m pretty sure violence won’t solve much.
We’re talking about the Ukraine-Russia conflict from the Ukrainian government’s perspective, right?
Right? :padme: