Got the data from reddit from here: https://r.nf/r/europe/comments/14xkofb/germany_with_a_result_of_22_rightwing_afd_id_has/
And the moral of the story? Never ever should left-leaning parties enter a coalition with neoliberals. Thank you, FDP, for constantly sabotaging the government and destroying public trust with these actions. And thank you, Friedrich Merz (current leader the conservative CDU opposition party), for being a fucking loser who was losing constantly against other conservative candidates before and now thinks the party should embrace American culture war. So far, it has only helped the AfD, but I’m sure the good old Friedrich has a solid plan.
but I’m sure the good old Friedrich has a solid plan.
As we all know that Friedrich Merz has zero morals he obviously has a solid plan to get to power: He still has 2 years to parrot far-right propaganda even more while gradually forgetting his pretended resistence against a CxU-AfD coalition.
The best part is that they put the success of their party below their personal gain… at least they don’t mind becoming less popular it seems
In any other situation I would ask what the hell you guys are doing over there, but as it stands we have pretty much exactly the same situation here in Sweden.
Pretty scary development honestly. Europe really does not need a populist far-right resurgence right now.
Mostly Loosers from East Germany who are always complaining that they don’t get enough, DDR was much better and hate foreigners because “they take away” the money “owed” to them in social contributions. (They also don’t like them for any reason because they are racists) They also don’t consume normal media but prefer Russian propaganda Media instead. (Green evil, Gas Good) (Look it up, 30% of the unemployed in Germany vote AfD which hates poor people, it’s mindboggling)
Kind reminder that somewhere around 75% of survey participants who’d vote AfD are West Germans… Simply because East Germany only has 14M / 83M inhabitants. Yes, AfD is more popular in the East, but people vote for them everywhere in Germany.
Sounds like the solution is simple - just split up Germany again, haha.
Well only half-joking, it worked out great for Czechia and Slovakia. Inequality of the regions was one of the main reasons for the split, similarly as you describe it. And funnily enough, Slovakia is also heading in the far-right/populist direction.
Hmmm, so some kind of job guarantee would really help deradicalize those unemployed AfD supporters?
I dont think so, in Sonneberg unemployment was only 5% and there are also not many refugees. Still they vote for the AfD. It’s quite funny because the local companies can’t find enough people for their jobs, so they actually would need some foreigners they hate so much
Votes for AfD and percentage of foreigners are actually completely opposite to each other.
The regions with the least amount of foreign people are voting them the most…
You said that 30% of the unemployed are radicalized rightwards. What do you propose to help deradicalize them? Complaining about them isn’t going to do it.
Edit: like, if there are openings in those companies, why are people choosing to stay unemployed and only migrants will take those jobs? Could it be that these are shit paying jobs or jobs with shit conditions? If we accept deradicalization as a desirable goal, we have to be serious about the cost of achieving it. Otherwise we are not holding deradicalization as a goal superior to the profits of local companies, in which case, well, what the fuck do you expect.
Because a lot of them have addiction problems, mental health problems etc … They are probably unfit for work
That just moves the problem from radicalization to mental health.
The Eastern Germans even complain about incomers from Berlin. And then they merrily vote for another right wing council that offers farmers far too much for land to be used for the construction of flats that are too expensive for locals.
Same here in Italy. We are ahead of the rest of Europe this time, due to having voted earlier last year. A word of warning: no matter how radical and extremist their claims are, once they take the seats in parliament they don’t change anything. Here they came to the paradox of abrogating some laws of the previous government and reintroduce the very same measure with a different name. Only rhetorics will change (and not entirely for the good, unfortunately).
Europe really does not need a populist far-right resurgence right now.
What could possibly go wrong?
Democracy is not a state but an ever-ongoing process that involves everyone.
When the demands on society become too great, whether economic or transformative, it becomes difficult. Then the overburdened begin to follow the simpler/simplified narratives.
One could now argue that one could learn from history, but in an individualistic (or segregated) society, it is at least to some extent in the nature of the overburdened to not manage this. If these people are not helped in time, things will get turbulent. (And, in a bitter irony, often vote against their own long-term interests).
Thus, the greater the stress to which a society is exposed, the greater needs to be the solidarity of the “strong” with the “weak”. Neoliberalism, however, pushes in the opposite direction.
That color switch got me sweating for a second!
Well it’s still scary enough.
Well it’s still scary enough.
I just hope that these ppl won’t go federal/national. We might have a similar problem now in The Netherlands, expecially with new elections coming in November, after the fall of Rutte.
The Farmers party (less right-winged then AFD imo), are locally very strong.
It appears, many ppl are just afraid of the cost of living, energy prices changes etc ; basically afraid they can’t live their normal lives. It’s becoming a perfect feeding ground for stupid ( extreme) rhetoric.
So let’s just keep our hopes up for some enlightened votes and politicians. But I’m wary.
This is terrifying
Still 7 % FDP ?! WHO ?!
It’s a mix. For well-off people that party makes sense. And of course there’s still quite a few people who buy into the whole “the market will fix it” stuff.
The people voting for them firmly believing to totally become one of their rich clients soon™ (after whatever rediculous investment idea they heard on TikTok makes them rich…) weren’t known for their working brain cells before, so why do you expect them to smarten up suddenly?
Shareholders
Me. AMA.
Q: Dafuq?
Why do you hate
poornon-rich people?They love Freedom™ and people should work hard to get their place in the social hirachy.
neoliberalisim has truly ruined this world
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By the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. So that says something.
They’ve been officially labelled as extremists. By a government agency that was put into place to protect Germany from going down the Hitler route a second time.
Hey, the 30s are coming up, we’ve got to get a move on.
We’re not going to make it, are we?
I think it is time to talk about immigration, it is the gateway to all this rubbish. Conservatives, liberals, social democrats and socialists believe that not talking about it is a solution, as if putting hundreds of thousands of people with low incomes and different cultures was not going to generate conflicts.
I’m not talking about closing borders, or abandoning them in their countries, or expelling them, I don’t know what the solution is, but to ignore the problem, to label as racist anyone who complains or questions the situation. Bold proposals are needed that do not ignore the challenges or we will return
as if putting hundreds of thousands of people with low incomes and different cultures was not going to generate conflicts.
Except that the places in Germany that have the highest votes for that piece of shit AfD have the LOWEST amount of immigrants.
Well, I’m not from Germany, I don’t know the particularities of this case, but I do see that all of Europe, migration is the place where his speech enters the table.Then they put the things of each one, that if the south is lazy, that if Europe keeps the money for health, that if such a region is going to break the country. victimhood and fear they don’t only grow where there are real reasons for it and facing the problem instead of despising whoever sees it usually gives better results in the long run
Not particularly surprising. I expect that those areas have AfD in leading positions in local governments and implement policies to avoid migration.
I expect that those areas have AfD in leading positions in local governments
Then you don’t know what you are talking about.
Okay, then elaborate please, what’s the situation like?
I’m just transposing what I know from Swedish politics, given that Germany also has municipal counties with a certain degree of input. In Sweden, the 2018-2022 government tried (and failed, due to legal problems) to overrule municipal councils where the Sweden Democrats were influencing their governing coalitions to refuse to receive asylum seekers, in some cases even paying other municipalities to receive them instead.
Hence that voting districts with high SD voter counts now have fewer migramts than other parts of the country.
No, it’s more like most of those regions have low economic opportunities to begin with and that’s why not many people migrate there. Conversely especially young and educated people leave those places for greener pastures.
Also note that it also makes sense that areas with higher immigration backgrounds to yield less votes (as a relative proportion of total votes) for the AFD. Simply because people with immigration background would be stupid to vote against their own interests.
Insightful, thank you!
Most of the people voting for the AFD are just upset with the current plitical Partys, thus they vote for them in protest
Most of the people voting for the AFD are just upset with the current political Partys
Maybe some, but several studies have shown, that a good deal of AfD voters are in fact completely on board with their fascist world view.
And those who are not still tolerate it.Just blaming it all on dissatisfaction without addressing the deep seated bigotry in large parts of the population does not help the discussion and in imho only helps to further legitimize the AfD as a serious alternative.
but do they really have to give their protest vote to a party of bigots when there are better options available?
Their problem with current political parties seems to be that they don’t address the “problem” that is the presence of brown people in germany “appropriately”
They already went through all other options.
If Ossis really want to scare the political establishment they should resurrect the SED and demand Article 15 socialisation of all means of production. Don’t even have to enter federal politics to do that a majority in a state parliament suffices.
