An article about Kagi’s leadership, uncontroversially titled “Why I lost faith in Kagi.” If anyone has updates to add here, good or bad, I’d appreciate it.
Between the absolute blase attitude towards privacy, the 100% dedication to AI being the future of search, and the completely misguided use of the company’s limited funds, I honestly can’t see Kagi as something I could ever recommend to people.
…and I’m surprised this quote doesn’t mention the CEO, considering what the blog post has to say about him.
Ouf, you got me down a rabbit hole. I’ll start at the end, where I clicked on a comment of yours laying out why Andreas Kling and Brendan Eich are assholes. This FOSS tendency to support 100% meritocracy becomes a bullshit lie the moment some lead devs use their position to spread vile views, deny harmless PRs to improve phrasing etc.
I have yet to meet a single self-proclaimed “centrist” who isn’t just a racist/misogynyst/homophobe in sheep’s clothing.Meritocracy enables sociopaths.
Well really it should be “Pure unadultarated meritocracy in FOSS development enables latent sociopathic behavior to come out unchecked in nerdy devs” or some such, but that’s not much of a slogan.Anyhow, about Kagi & Vlad & the writer of this blog post (I really read it all) - I am always so skeptical about FLOSS trying to go financially sustainable. Usually people applaud it because they think it’s a solution to “slow development and clunky UIs”, and usually people like Vlad like to support that feeling without really committing to anything.
Also always interesting the lack of commitment when you press them about data collection. You can’t run a web app like this without data collection, and the distiction between personally identifyable, private, anonymised or anonymous is - facile because as legal terms they were coined by people who have no clue about fingerprinting and such.
All in all I’m glad with the road I have chosen in device & software usage and just like the Brave hype did not get me, neither will the Kagi hype or the next one.
Cool. Although, I will keep at my combo; local searxng container + firedragon.
Tbh Ladybird is way more interesting. This is just another Webkit based Browser
While the software is exciting, I’m not exactly keen due to the controversy
Interesting because of the pronoun drama or for some other reason?
The Orion browser is the goat!
I think its solid on ios, its stable and allows firefox and chrome extensions.
It really does make the locked down iOS experience more bearable while we wait for the world to force Apple to open up their mobile hardware.
Okay, and? It’s a proprietary browser for a company sponsoring paid search using a Russian engine. I’m quite happy to avoid.
That’s the most propagandist way you could have possibly said that
Any word on Windows? Despite the discourse around Kagi using Yandex, they did advise me that they are still building thier own indexes that are planned to eventually replace thirds party ones.
I’m still not a huge fan of the overuse of AI, but I do think Kagi is on the right track in a lot of other areas.
edit: I’m in the Linux community… Ignore the first sentence 😅
What “overuse of AI” are you referring to?
Probably that engines are putting Ai in the forefront of searches lately
Kagi doesn’t do that. It doesn’t even show you an AI response unless you specifically request it.
I wish there was a cheaper plan that didn’t involve AI at all. Like, I don’t care to have X prompts every month. I’d like to pay just for the engine.
You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.
You do not pay anything different for AI prompts. You should really actually try the product before you make up all these things about it.
But what you pay involves the calculated cost of using the AI, otherwise they’d be losing money if a lot of users were to make too many prompts. So it should be possible to have a lower price that didn’t give you any prompts.
The other poster is right… The base plans don’t contain any amount of “prompts” and are very reasonable /affordable.
Maybe “overuse” isn’t the right word. “Over-investment” maybe.
I think the Universal Summarizer and Quick Answer are okay but the Assistant just doesn’t do it for me. No one is forcing me to use it or pay for it however and I don’t run the company, so it’s a moot point…
They’ve reiterated that AI is central to their mission, I just don’t find the LLM interfacing very compelling personally.
So, duckduckgo also uses Yandex, right? I know Bing as their premier, but all these search engines use more than one source. I haven’t been able to see where any of them provide their entire list of sources. DDG and Kagi both previously listed Yandex and have since quietly disappeared their mention from their informational pages
The reference used to live here, iirc. They updated the language to say “all major search results providers” rather than listing the actual names as they did previously.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Nvm it’s proprietary
And… that was the joy for 3 seconds.
It will be open source in the future.
When that happens I will be excited:) I’d be excited for WebKit to get more love
Yeah. Fuck blink.
