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the US-Canadian border has been one of, if not the, most peaceful borders in the entire world.
the most peaceful and mutually beneficial border on Earth.
Tell me your views are extremely America-centric without telling me.
The only way you can have those views is if you know nothing about the EU at all.
Lmao, I’ve got a bullet for every magat fuck that crosses the border. Last thing they’ll hear is a tree speaking French
The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.
In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn’t want it. That’s about 1 in 7.
https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex
The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That’s almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.
The Vancouver Sun is owned by postmedia… so take whatever they,say with a grain of salt.
Yeah I hear you 100%. At this point any of the Postmedia outlets should be considered American propaganda, and they cannot be trusted.
However in this case the survey was from Angus Reid I believe. You can find the results elsewhere.
The one in five conservatives who want to be annexed by America know its the only way they can get American citizenship since they are probably low education and low skilled labour that America doesn’t even want. Otherwise they would just move to America.
That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I’ve heard from the dumbass gallery has been:
“Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD” and “It’ll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland” or “Then we can vote in a proper government they’re and fix things”
I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be
This may be so but as we’ve seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.
Absolutely. I’d also hazard that a certain portion of these “ideas” actually come from agents working social media etc to promote them .
They’re not just throwing out “DEI bad” but also “and wouldn’t you like…”
Hi, American here.
A lot of us have been saying that for about a decade and been wrong at about every turn.
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I own multiple firearms - including handguns, shotguns, 30 cals, even a C7 - and I don’t agree with the approach the Liberals have on gun laws currently. I hope they change their approach given the current context.
But I also know that in Canada owning guns is a privilege not a right, and the government can choose to limit that privilege, as governments have done in many other countries. In Canada you simply cannot use self defense as a reason to own a gun.
I will not vote against all of my interests, on every other issue, and against the sovereignty of my country, because I want to own all of my guns. If you want to defend your country, join the police or the military. You can join the reserves part time. If you don’t want to do it now, don’t worry…you will have the option to do so if it comes to hostilities, you will get training and you will get guns.
I’m skeptical that you were ever going to do anything differently, whether or not Donald Trump had changed the calculus. I suspect you were always a single issue voter on this. So I doubt what I say will make a difference, but at least you might be able to appreciate why someone might not want to support the Conservatives despite the fact that they own guns and despite the fact that they understand why you might feel safer with your guns.
The reality is if there are truly hostilities, nothing will be the same and no one will be safe. I will not hand my country over to a party that I don’t trust to protect the country’s sovereignty based on gun laws that won’t mean shit anyway if that sovereignty is violated.
Edit to add one other point: Frankly if 1 in 5 Conservatives are traitors to the country, the fact that they own guns is just as much a danger to me as a potential American invasion, maybe more so because they are not a potential threat but a real one. Maybe the party that claims to support the country, its sovereignty and its well-being should weed those elements out before they start pushing to arm everyone.
The grass isn’t greener over here. It’s pay to play in a bucket full of crabs.
Also understand the psychological games being played. All this shit is psychological marketing social manipulation. You need a strong grasp understanding… I couldn’t even say what specifically but… But it’s almost impossible to get sucked into it even if you understand it.
It’s like just talking about the drama they are presenting is to already be failing at fighting it. But the paradox is you still have to fight it… Somehow.
This is just the reality of living in a free-thinking world.
I don’t think you’re being open minded enough. Sounds like your head needs some ventilation
Oh please fuck right off with this apologist bullshit.
I don’t care what people think, and it wouldn’t matter if I did, as long as they keep their treasonous sympathies in their own head.
The moment they voice it or act on it, then it becomes expression. And freedom of expression does not extend to treasonous or seditious speech or action, as it’s defined in the criminal code.
And anyway, where freedom of expression applies, it only protects against government suppression or legal repercussions. It has nothing to say about me making their lives miserable and making sure everyone knows they’re treasonous Yank sympathizers and just generally untrustworthy pieces of shit. And these people know that which is why they rarely make their views known publicly.
Well that, and they know that if they out themselves they’ll be the first up against the wall if shit gets ugly.
Horrible thought that so much of the population is that fucking stupid
This headline is subtly dismissive.
“Angry” and “right now” both suggest a transient state. That’s not what we’re seeing.
“Canada has finally had enough of the USA” would be a more apt title; or “Canada reaches its breaking point.”
Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.
Never. Go. Back.
I used to be angry.
I still am, but I used to be, too.
I hope you’re right, but the public’s memory is short.
The public’s memory is immaterial. The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.
They’re the one’s who need to remember that the US has threatened their positions.
Voting with your wallet doesn’t make for sustained, long term change. It requires too much work, and it’s umder constant attack by marketing.
The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.
If you had said short term I’d agree with you, it’s all politicians, but over the long term public will has made a lot of changes the Lords of old would not have approved of. Getting reelected is hard and even safe seats aren’t forever.
We do not live in a dictatorship, and we don’t have to pay bribes to the local RCMP or say nice things about the Prime Minister like we would in a dictatorship. Hell, businesses can’t even donate the same way as voters in Canada, all they really do is whine and threaten doom.
You’re goddamn right I’m furious.
And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.
Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.
And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.
And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown.
Republican voters enabled another trump dictatorship, not “democrats”.
Their vote made it so that “democrats” have no power in the house, the senate, the office of the presidency, the supreme court, or the dozens of federal agencies that are now being gutted.
Blame them. Blame only them for voting the way they did, because the outcome is exactly what they voted for.
Their vote made it so that “democrats” have no power in the house, the senate, the office of the presidency, the supreme court, or the dozens of federal agencies that are now being gutted.
Actually, today Senate Republicans needed help from the Democrats to pass a bill to keep the government funded. And 10 Democrats helped them, including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.
It doesn’t matter who’s to blame. The question is where is your nation going, and what are you going to do about it? Are you going to let all the terrible things happen because “it’s the other guys’ fault”?
What solutions do you propose for the majority of the population who are struggling to get by and who can’t even take time off work to protest or contact their local representatives? That’s the reality Americans are facing. Those with the most to lose are in the worst position to fight back.
Any protections that people once had are being stripped away each day. I mean, calling it illegal to boycott Tesla? Calling actual protesters domestic terrorists while hailing those who stormed the capital ad heroes?
The situation looks grim for Americans.
Funny how the Republicans always manage to stall everything when the Democrats are in power
When Democrats are in power, the Republicans can stall things because they only have a slim majority and the extreme measures that they’d need to take are unpalatable to 5-30 of the most regressive Democrats. So their majority doesn’t count for a lot.
Overall, I think this is partially just that Americans are pretty regressive (possibly because of all the propaganda, possibly because of our poor education). And partially the successful efforts by Republicans to control local government, which allows them to do things like gerrymander federal districts.
That’s the problem with playing fair. Republicans don’t, and Democrats have tried to.
That seems to be over, and everyone has to play dirty these days.
A terrible way of representing the people, but whatever it takes to stop Nazis, I guess.
There was lots of things they could have tried, especially when they had the whitehouse. They didn’t because they were trying to believe civilised democratic norms back into existence, or something like that.
I think it’s fair to say that they were trying to be democratic in their approach, and really couldn’t have anticipated that the public would vote again for a twice-impeached felon with dozens of charges, and the person solely responsible for inciting a violent insurrection against the capital. But here we are! 🫠
Is there a rewind button we could use? ☹️
I dunno, it’s not like the polls ever showed the unstoppable lead “felon” implies. Nor did the problem start with Trump; the angry far-right rhetoric has been slowly escalating pretty much my whole (young-ish) life.
Top democrats have shown very poor judgement, probably because they couldn’t or wouldn’t imagine the stuff that’s happened a million times before in other places could happen to them. Normalcy bias is a bitch.
The reality is, things have been going pretty good for the world in general (minus Putin being a total cunt), especially Canada and the US. And when you consider we all came out of a pandemic in pretty good shape, in spite of trump’s extremely poor handling of it, that should have given most sensible people reason to be humble.
Instead, problems were invented and spread through right-wing social media and regular media. Then false promises given by trump to “fix” those lies.
People were duped, and they voted based on the lies they were fed.
And if elected Republican officials had any concept of duty to the nation, Trump would have been stopped cold after his first impeachment. They should have stopped him cold when we all heard him boasting about sexually assaulting women, tbh.
We can blame both sides all day. The fact of the matter is that enough people voted for Trump, and gave him permission to do what he’s been doing. Whatever course-correction needs to happen will be very difficult and extremely taxing on individuals who now have to literally fight for their lives or livelihoods.
No, fuck this. The best analogy I’ve seen is that the republicans are a school shooter, and the democrats are the uvalde police department. I’m not going to forgive a group thst somehow becomes utterly ineffectual any time they’re needed. This has been brewing for decades. If the democrats were just tooooooooo weak to do anything to prevent it in all that time, what fucking use are they?
That’s like blaming firefighters for not being able to put out fires as fast as arsonists can set them.
Voters are the only reason why Trump is still here. Sure, you can say that democratic representatives could/should be doing more, but aren’t we way past that point now? This is trump’s second term… voters want him in power. As fucking stupid as that is.
It’s more like blaming city council because they refuse to pass any regulations that might reduce the number of fires, because it would hurt their donors in the construction industry.
We are way past the point where democrats could have done anything, and we arrived here because all through my almost fifty year lifetime and before, people on the left have been warning them about the US’s decline towards fascism, the takeover of their media and the dominance of voter suppression, and they’ve chosen to never take any action to stop it. I fail to see why they should escape blame now, after making the bed they are lying in.
That’s like blaming firefighters for not being able to put out fires as fast as arsonists can set them.
No, that’s a bad analogy because the firefighters are trying to put out the fires to the best of their ability. The Democrats aren’t doing shit, and in some cases siding with the fascists.
Republican voters got them elected, Democrats are standing by doing nothing as their country is ruined.
There are no attempts to secede, there are no wide-scale protests or strikes. Their democracy falls while they sit back and fret, laughing along with Jon Stewart and smug in their knowledge they are better that Republicans. For all their much-touted “second amendment” they are idle as a tyrant solidifies power.
I do blame Republican for their actions. But I blame Democrats for their inaction. I’m furious because what I see in them I recognize in myself – it’s a challenge for me to not be complacent and fight for my own country. Because if we coast like they do, we will suffer the same fate.
But I blame Democrats for their inaction.
I don’t deny that much more could have been/could be done. But look at the optics on how this would make trump even stronger:
If you had a democratically elected president who’s being shut down by the minority party, which could be seen as “going against what the people voted for”, and once again trying to “steal the election”. It would justify a horrific ramping up of his rhetoric, and seeing how he released 1500 criminals who were on his side, there would be no stopping domestic (right-wing) terrorists from targeting “democrats”.
In fairness, this timeline is so FUBAR, especially when coming off such a strong economy, highly respected presidencies from Obama and Biden, and relative peace with nearly all allies. In just a few months, Trump and Musk have been undoing hundreds of years of progress, which is unprecedented so say the least.
The States, and the world, are in such uncharted territories right now.
You do realize what you’re saying, right?
You’re saying it would be a tragedy of optics to try to stop a dictator from seizing power. That if democrats do nothing they can avoid being targeted in the short term, while Trump chases after others.
Yes. This specific attitude is what I’m furious about. And I’m going to work my damnedest to stop it happening here in my country.
You’re saying it would be a tragedy of optics to try to stop a dictator from seizing power.
No absolutely not! And I’m sorry if it came off that way. Trump and his Nazi regime need to be stopped 100%. What I’m saying is that he only needs “proof” in the form of a handful of elected democrat representatives fighting back in order to really escalate things. He hasn’t even started!
It’s up to the 300 million Americans to do something. Take action. If you’re in the military, don’t follow orders, or take those orders and do nothing with them.
We aren’t at this point in Canada, and the swing in our polls show that common sense matters. Republican voters doubled down when the world was telling them that Trump would destroy everything they cared about. They never once unified for anything. Canada is unifying, because we know what’s at stake. Plus, we’ve got way more allies in our corner than the Americans.
Exactly.
And what pisses me off is the calculation that you implicitly state, that by not reacting now the Democrats know they are “safe” because the ire is pointed somewhere else. It pisses me off because I recognize the same impulses in myself. I didn’t think Canada was in danger when the ire was on Mexicans and Haitians and Muslims. Just like they don’t see the danger now.
But when the barrel is pointed at you, you see more clearly. We are today, and the cowering Democrats are next. The longer they wait, the harder it will get – but that’s how divide and conquer works. The groups all accept the evils being done to the current group to buy their own safety, and they get picked off one by one.
And as you say – in Canada we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to break this cycle here. We see what’s coming now, and we won’t break.
that by not reacting now the Democrats know they are “safe” because the ire is pointed somewhere else.
It’s not necessary about self-preservation, but an avoidance of escalation.
If Trump was a reasonable person with right-wing views, he would still be able to cooperate with democrats to better the country for the people.
But he’s an unhinged, narcissistic, unreliable, compromised madman, so much of the world is in damage control at this point.
I’m not even sure how elected democrats would be able to stop him. But I can tell you how 300,000,000 Luigis could.
He’s not playing by the rules, so the strategy to fight back is to also not play by the rules. Sure, this can be self-destructive to a point, but sometimes the sacrifice of a few is what’s needed to stop a nazi uprising.
And as you say – in Canada we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to break this cycle here. We see what’s coming now, and we won’t break.
We’ve had enough of a warning, seeing what the hell a deranged lunatic in charge can do for another country. I don’t think we’d allow that to happen here, but I guess we’ll see ‘what the people want’ in our Federal elections.
The States, and the world, are in such uncharted territories right now.
Not really. History is full of dictators seizing power and abusing it. And in every case there was only one course of action to stop it. Stop making excuses to do nothing and take to the streets.
What about the democrats that did something how should they feel?
If they took action and failed I don’t hold anything against them. It’s better to try and fail than not try at all.
Unfortunately the scale of what’s happening right now is existential, so they find themselves in the crossfire.
Not a single american voted for THIS. Trump didn’t give any indication he was going to do this. This is ALL his doing. As far as you guys pushing americans to strap up, 1. Our quality if life has yet to be affected, when that happens, more people will act. 2. As for people like myself, I have a bi daughter, if and when the time comes for me to open up the armory, I will but right now, just.acting will ruin all of our lives. 3. I have worked extremely hard for my entire life, I just.got a house, reached my career goal and my lifes goal of making 6 figures.I’m not upper.class, but I’ve come from poverty and I’m not throwing that away. 4. WHEN things get bad or if trump actually acted on trying to take over.canada, more than half of.us would fight with you, but trump is.full of shit. Just.don’t buy.american shit.and.move on with your lives. We got you. Shit will change, but don’t expect me to pull the strap over mediocrity and toothless threats.
Not a single american voted for THIS. Trump didn’t give any indication he was going to do this.
When you say ‘any indication’, since project 2025 and his last term were both real, you mean to say ‘every indication’, correct?
The guy was a felon stalling the investigation of his own mishandling of secrets, during rape trials, and people voted that clown show in.
There’s no trump voter unaware of any of that.
I’m exclusively talking about annexing Canada bro. And I’m not.not defending the moron or his followers. I’m just saying when it comes to annexing canada, no one knew about that shit. But like I said, it’s idle threats. Don’t lose sleep over it. Trump doesn’t control our soldiers, even tho he has the title. Americans wouldn’t follow thru with that shit even if he ordered it.
ooooh maaaaan nobody knew about this specific thing around all the other sea of known fascist, transphobic, racist, xenophobic nazi shit! that makes it alllllll better
I have the utmost sympathy and care for democrats and independents who tried and failed. I can’t tell them how to feel, but I’d feel scared and helpless.
There’s no relevance to “did”. There’s “doing” and “not doing”.
I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.
The anger I’m seeing isn’t just at Trump, it’s at Americans in general.
They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won’t ever happen again?
Not to mention the 1/3 of eligible voters who couldn’t fucking be bothered to vote at all. Fuck them too.
Same in Ontario. Thanks for giving us Doug Ford 3 times in a row, non-voters.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s hard for North Americans to get off the couch to cast a ballot.
Well yeah! It’s winter for crying out loud! Also I’m paying for Netflix, prime, Disney,crave… I’m behind on my shows.
Yeah and we don’t have voter suppression laws.
I voted by mail, super easy.
It was over 1/3 of people who didn’t vote.
1/3 good Americans, 1/3 bad Americans, 1/3 that are just pretty clueless.
TBF that more-or-less describes all nations in bad times. I’m just up close and personal with this one.
Let’s leave a little bit of anger for those at home who are enthusiastically supporting Poilievre. They would happily lead Canada down the same path as the USA.
That is a different anger budget
That’s one of the biggest things. The first time they voted for Trump, we could forgive them, since it was hard to predict that he would be quite that awful. But this time? They knew. They knew what he was, what he stood for, and what he would do. They knew, and they chose him anyway.
Especially when he spent the four interim years purging the party of anyone not 100% faithful to him, and publicly upping the aggressive rhetoric.
Everyone outside the US who was paying attention saw this coming. If we were blindsided, it was only in how much he’s been able to get away with so quickly; but we knew what most of his goals were.
There was an 800 page book laying out project 2025 step by step. But reading is for nerds I guess.
We can’t and whatever comes after trump will be worse. The US cannot be trusted and is not reliable.
Oh the North Remembers.
What I can say for sure is the odds that there will be some kind of political or economic rupture between the US and Canada that lasts decades into the future have gone up substantially just over the course of the past few months.
Yup. Trump’s legacy will not be a glowing one at all.
I doubt that. He fucked up the first time around, broke shit, wrecked things, stole classified documents, convicted of 34 felons, stole PPE from blue states to kill them during covid and millions needlessly died during covid. What happened? Nothing. People don’t really remember any of that. He was never punished for any of his actions or crimes.
Trump is the prime example of American hubris and apathy.
It might be a glowing one. I’m more worried about nuclear war now than I have been since the late '80s.
Trump’s legacy will not be a glowing one at all.
It might literally be glowing at this rate. Also smouldering.
A boy can dream…
Damn right we are fucking mad.
Elbows Up!
Trump is ruining relationship with all of our allies to set up to flip on Russian side.
Canada is surrounded by the USA to the south and Russia to the north. Trump and Putin will be working something out. Being on friendly terms with the USA was foundational to Canada’s security, and now it’s gone.
inb4: Alaska allows Russian military base and Russian military exercises near Yukon and BC
We will fuck those muricans up! ELBOWS UP!!!
I’ve been unhappy with them for years tbh its kind of nice that i’m not alone now. Is anyone else finding it hard to access things on reddit now? Just today, I can click to read about pandas and fluff but try to click on anything canadian tarrif related and nothing happens, can’t read it?
You don’t say?
75 million of us studied for the test, took the test, passed the test, and still failed.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this. 60% of us still need to work 5 days a week just to eat, or at least sort of eat while our kids actually eat. The DNC didn’t even ask for a single recount they quietly rolled over and gave been laying on the floor ever since, and they’re the ones with all the money.
So, in your fury, what would you suggest?
If there’s 75 million of you, get out and fucking obstruct things. Stop asking people in other countries how to clean up your own mess, learn a little about civil disobedience, and start doing it.
Like everyone here, I have no patience for your passive aggressive “this isn’t myyyyy fault” attitude. Is it mine? I’m in a foreign nation, for fuck’s sake. Maybe you really can’t do anything from your own situation, I understand that, but then don’t come in here acting sanctimonious about it. Your labour is providing for the military machine that’s threatening me and my family. I have no sympathy.
Thing is, that the reason why Biden dropped out of the race is because a not insignificant portion of that 75 million was okay with fascism over a second Biden term.
Guns. Americans own lots of guns. You have the 2nd amendment that is exactly to be used for just this sort of thing.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this.
People often say that. But standing in the street with a sign can be the first step in encouraging and recruiting people to do some actual resistance. The power of protest is that it brings people together and shows them others are also willing to show their discontent. From there, you can build your networks and move on to other things.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this.
75 million people standing in a street with signs would be a start.
75 million people blockading government buildings, preventing the Nazis from doing their job would definitely help.
How many people protested Vietnam? How many people were involved in the Stonewall riots? For fuck’s sake, how many people were involved in the January 6 attempted coup? They may have been fascist thugs, but they got things done instead of sitting around saying “I can’t do anything, it’s the government’s fault!”
FUCKING ACT! If signs don’t work, then get more signs. Barricade government buildings. BREAK THE FUCKING SYSTEM and stop whining about it!
You mean 75million people typing “don’t blame meeeee, I didn’t vote for the guy” won’t make a difference?
I’m in Canada. Don’t be so fucking sanctimonious. It’s going to hurt you and your family to stand up for your own country and yourselves. If you don’t it’s going to hurt mine so fuck you and them too.
But my job and my house. Fuck you. For me it’s my kids and my family and my friends. My trauma kit is stocked and my gun cabinet full and ready should I or anyone else need to do your fucking job because you have to go to work.
Asshole.
So, in your fury, what would you suggest?
Get organized and ramp up your activism, whatever kind fits your life and priorities.
