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    They’re explicitly a centre-right party though. Having a two party system is jokes in this day-and-age (presumably why MAGA replaced it with your new one-party system).

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    I am becoming a believer that it isnt weakness, its complicity. The weakness is just a good facade to hide the truth.

    It also shouldnt be surprising, the government is just a capitalist mouth piece.

    “Fuck you I got mine” should be printed on our money

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    The Republicans are a mass shooter massacring children inside a school

    The Democrats are the Uvalde police department

    They’re just standing around holding their dicks LETTING it happen completely unopposed.

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        It’s more that they can’t do what’s necessary, because they can’t become a worker party. All of their base and funding comes from the bourgeoisie, they aren’t connected with the masses, and even if they tried they would risk severing their real base. The point of the meme is to point out that the Democrats can never be a worker party, so an alternative must be built, like PSL.

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        They could organize protests, they could help workers unionize, they could put their necks out and disrupt things, they could do anything besides stand by and say “oh no, this is so bad.” They have a gigantic megaphone and the ears of almost half the country, their power isn’t limited to the votes they have or don’t have. I want them to be making plans that are bold, plans where they feel a need to account for “how do we make sure this doesn’t turn into an outright riot though,” the things you’d do if you actually believed the rhetoric about Trump being a threat to democracy.

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                They’re elected for a reason; if we have to spearhead the action, then they’re pointless and shouldnt be there

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                They’re the ones making millions do it as a career. They should at least be able to do something.

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            Assuming this is in good faith, I would say that the Republicans opposition is pretty right the last few terms. The democrats refuse to learn anything from them though. I don’t need a Democrat screaming that Trump rapes babies or whatever. But like, maybe not voting hand in hand with the Republicans would be a start. Using the debt ceiling fight to gain some ground against the rich. Being on the side of any union at all.

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    Democrats are insidious like that, they lull you to sleep with petty reform (inaction) then all of a sudden your neck deep in some insane culture war with all these niche idealogies vying for uber-commodification meanwhile theres a mass congregation of rabid reactionary literal hitlerites spurned on by the media to act as a defense for the rich mfers.

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    It goes against their interests to promote class consciousness, same applies to any electoral party (even those considering themselves on the left), not just the dems or liberal parties of Europe. Class consciousness develops outside the electoral system.

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    At this point it feels like they were only ever there to give the illusion of choice.

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      That won’t fix things, though. The Democratic party can’t go against its base, the bourgeoisie, it acts like a great filter. An actual worker party, like PSL, needs to be built up and supported instead.

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        Bernie has literally stated that he only runs as a Dem because of the 2 party system and would otherwise be an independent which is the case with most progressives.

        Turning up your nose at 2 perfectly good candidates in favor of some non-existent hypothetical candidate is crazy.

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          Correct, Bernie’s strategy also hasn’t worked. As a Communist I don’t consider Bernie and AOC to be “perfectly good,” and the 2 party system itself needs to be overthrown in order to be fixed, which isn’t happening at the ballot box either.

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            Bernie and those like him have informed me and many others of what a good politician can look like and may have inspired others like AOC to start their career. I will support them as much as I can because they may inspire even more like them to actually have enough people to make a meaningful change in the party or, if we miraculously get away from the two party system, spin up a new one.

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              Bernie certainly isn’t as bad as, say, Fetterman, but he has his fair share of bad policy (especially foreign policy, which ends up just being justification for US Imperialism), and due to how the 2 party system works the Democrats will never be able to truly be “taken over” by progressives, as that would hurt their donor-base, the bourgeoisie. A genuine worker party is necessary, but it will not be capable of being reformist, it must be revolutionary, ie PSL.

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                I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding, and I am rubbed the wrong way by how you continue to seem to push that I shouldn’t support better politicians just because they aren’t perfect.

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                  Not trying to be mean, but how do you envision the DNC changing its tune?

                  As for your bit on me implying only perfection is acceptable, that’s not my stance, rather what I consider acceptable is pretty different. Again, I’m a Communist, that doesn’t mean I need my candidate to start a guerilla war from the mountains against their local Wal-Mart, but it does mean I hold stock in anti-US Imperialism and a dedication to bringing about Socialism, which at this point does require revolution.

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                  I respectfully disagree that the party could never change due to their current funding

                  If what you are saying is that the democratic party could change because we vote in enough progressives then I have a bridge to sell you. The capitalists who own the government would just out-finance progressive election attempts. Think of how many progressives we would need to have it impact the whole Dem party, now think about how many elections that is where the entire force of the media is against the politician who will actually fight for you. Now consider how easily manipulated our wildly uneducated population is.

                  I know its a bitter pill to swallow but capitalism has already destroyed democracy long ago. It is just that we have been in decline for so long now that it is finally becoming unavoidably obvious.

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          it’s not crazy; it’s ackowledging the absurdity that there’s no real choice and examples like mexico w shienbaum & amlo proved that it’s easily possible once you stop uncritically swallowing this type of propaganda.

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              Oh look, pathetic personal attacks and baseless slander when they have no arguments to counter facts.
              The best you can expect from an ignorant lemm.ee bot with a one day old account. LOL

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      They follow the party line just as much all the other democrats.

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    Everyone is seeing for their own interests. We really need people in power that HATE being in a power.

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      I mean, politicians get paid pennies compared to CEO-s with massive risks, why would any intelligent & honest person consider being a politician. Cold fact is, being an honest politician is the worst employment opportunity ever.

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      Democrats talk big game, but somehow always seem to be too weak to get anything done. However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.

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        However, when it comes to suppressing the Left and trying to prevent worker radicalization, they are mysteriously competent in comparison.

        I think this is because of FDR

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            That’s one of the reasons. Another reason is FDR painted Democratic Party as party for the workers with his social policies when served as president

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              Kinda? That wasn’t because of FDR, more it was a response to increasing Communist sympathies as a way to prevent revolution. FDR was responding to the political climate, it wasn’t a decision made out of context.