Russia has been bombarded in the biggest Ukrainian drone attack of the war, Moscow officials have said, on the same day as crunch talks are set to be held between Kyiv and the United States.
The Russian Defence Ministry said air defences shot down 337 Ukrainian drones over 10 Russian regions overnight, a record high, as Ukraine hit back at a series of brutal recent attacks launched by Moscow.
At least one Russian civilian has been killed and several injured, with dramatic footage showing fires raging from the exploding drones including in high rise residential buildings near Moscow.
It’s sad but you can’t expect attacked countries to not fight back.
They committed a war crime. Take a moment to look at the photo gallery, they bombed civilian cars, civilian apartment complex, single family housing.
And they are doing this on the eve of a potential ceasefire. This is not “sad”, it’s malicious and counterproductive. This kind of attack does nothing to improve the balance of power of Ukraine, it’s essentially state terrorism.
It’s so sad, if only Russia could’ve averted this tragedy somehow.
They tried, for 8 years. The West collectively said “nah, fuck you and your peace deals” and continued to bomb Donbas.
Now y’all are celebrating war crimes with the one hand and clutching your pearls that Russia hits back at military equipment fired from within hospitals (another fucking war crime from Ukraine) with the other.
I hope the upcoming burst of the bubble puts the west down for real, I can’t believe people like you are voting for the people in charge of the biggest military apparatus in human history.
Russia tried not attacking Ukraine for 8 years and then just had to do it? That does sound very Russian.
Friend, you’re clutching your pearls over a single attack but Russian invasion has caused tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Give me a break.
I know “no u” is the end all be all of lib argument, but I’m not clutching my pearls at anything. Russia is winning and Ukraine needs this peace deal, and politicians there are gonna have to acknowledge what the population wants soon or mass desertions are gonna be the least of their problems.
I’m sure there’s an argument relevant to the topic in your comment somewhere, I’m just not seeing it.
This is a Brazen Lie. There would have been no war in Donbas, no bombing and no death if Russia itself didn’t send its troops in there. The Russians, including Dugin and Girkin, have openly said this. Even Putin mentioned in an interview invading donbas in 2014
There would have been a war because the DNR and LNR seceded, and Ukraine refused to negotiate in good faith, choosing to bomb civilians into an unconditional surrender.
We will all win! Because we will have a job — they don’t have one. We will have pensions — they don’t have them. We will have the support of people — children and pensioners — but they do not have it. Our children will go to schools and kindergartens, and they will have them sitting in basements. Because they don’t know how to do anything! That’s how, that’s how we’re going to win this war.
Poroshenko said this in 2014.
If only the west hadn’t provoked the whole conflict.
Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine
Ah yes, it was the West that made Russia attack. I wish Russia was a sovereign country that didn’t have to obey what West (apparently) tell it to do.
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The justifications for invading another country get wilder and wilder.
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They are a sovereign country, a sovereign country that stated red lines in regard to their territorial security. The West knowingly provoked Russia by posturing that Ukraine would join NATO.
This is exactly the same reaction the US would have if the scenario was flipped (as stated in the Monroe doctrine). It is hugely hypocritical of the previous administration to pretend that Russia is in the wrong for wanting to secure their border.
Ah yes they needed to invade an another country because they felt threatened. Well I’m glad there was a justified reason for it at least.
This is exactly the same reaction the US would have if the scenario was flipped
And would you have been fine with it then, as you seem to be now? Because I sure as hell wouldn’t (and haven’t) been.
Finland’s territorial security has been constantly threatened by Soviet Union and Russia since WW2. Does that give us the right to bomb their civilians, or do only big countries with nuclear weapons get to use this logic?
Otoh, I totally get that in 2025 only big countries with nuclear weapons have any say in geopolitics. It didn’t use to be that way and I wonder greatly about people who think this is a good change.
Being a sovereign country doesn’t give you the right to decide what other sovereign countries do. Believing you are entitled to does make you an imperialist. This applies both to the US and Russia.
Yes, the Catholic Church “provoked” Henry VIII to murder his wives as well. Or maybe when you choose to murder people you are still accountable for murdering them.
It’s like saying “I told my ex who still lives in the neighborhood they can’t be friends with any new men, and she did it anyways so I blame it on the men for provoking me and I went over to her house and tried to strangle her to death.”
“I’m innocent, it was the new friends that made me do it”
you see? this is why we didn’t want redditors to come to lemmy to begin with. you brought the fucking astroturf campaign with you.
If you’re worried about Ukrainians striking civilian infrastructure, i have some bad news about what Russia has been doing.
This must be that “whataboutism” I keep hearing liberals crying about
At least use an archive link if you’re going to share the Daily Mail
Every time Ukraine suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/11/retreat-ukrainian-brigades-appear-to-be-leaving-kursk/
edit: I guess basic facts of the situation makes people who’ve been guzzling propaganda for the past three years very upset
Regardless of the truth of that statement, do you contradict the many, many Russian drone and missile attacks against Ukrainian civilian targets? I’m curious if the condemnation for violence against non-combatants goes both ways.
Russia does hit civilian targets as well, however the difference is that Ukraine does this intentionally and systemically. Meanwhile, Ukraine is also known to use civilians as human shields for its army. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war
The human shield argument has never really passed the smell test for me, especially when used as condemnation against Palestinians. It’s very difficult to defend against the invasion of a civilian area without occupying said civilian area. Existing military infrastructure typically doesn’t exist at the scale a frontline needs in invaded territory. Strikes targeted specifically against civilians are obviously unacceptable and immoral regardless of perpetrator.
The AFU is an actual army operated by the regime in Ukraine, comparing this to Palestinian resistance is the height of absurdity. There actual conventions prohibiting armies from using civilians as human shields, and if you don’t understand why these conventions exist then I really d on’t know what else to tell you here.
I’m not trying to argue that it’s okay. I’m not a military expert or analyst. However, people that are those things don’t make this argument and so I’m not willing to unless I’m provided evidence of a viable alternative. A better example might be the Ba’athist defense of Iraq during the unjustified 2003 invasion (not that the Ba’athist regime wasn’t a nightmare for the Iraqi people, it just wasn’t the US’s place to involve themselves on false pretenses). Iraqi cities are being invaded, they simply don’t have the military infrastructure to have their forces entirely separate from civilian targets, and so civilians end up getting hurt by airstrikes and artillery because of their proximity to military targets. Of course, party extremists also used extreme violence to prevent civilian retreat, but I’ve seen no evidence of this in Ukraine. Convention is all well and good until said conventions would require surrendering territory to avoid conflict in civilian areas. Governments will take any action they deem necessary to survive a conflict. Both parties in a conflict can be immoral.
I’m not aware of any credible experts making this argument, nor does this argument make any sense under even minimal scrutiny. The reality is that a dictatorial regime in Ukraine that cancelled elections and banned opposition parties along with independent media, is holding the country hostage.
Of course, party extremists also used extreme violence to prevent civilian retreat, but I’ve seen no evidence of this in Ukraine.
Aside from all the videos of people being grabbed off the street and being gang pressed into fighting you mean. It’s so bad that even western media is reporting on it https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/12/17/people-snatchers-ukraines-army-recruiters-use-harsh-tactics-to-fill-ranks-for-war-against-russia/
Governments will take any action they deem necessary to survive a conflict. Both parties in a conflict can be immoral.
Both parties can be immoral, except in this particular case it’s very clear that western backed fascist regime is the only immoral party.
Both parties can be immoral, except in this particular case it’s very clear that western backed fascist regime is the only immoral party.
Right this conversation isn’t worth having lol
basic facts of the situation
I think it’s more the selective emphasis than the ‘basic facts’.
Something tells me you’ve never said that about people cherrypicking information that’s beneficial to Ukraine.
if you were capable of thinking you wouldn’t be making these vapid comments here
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Please do little fash.
Every time Russia suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that.
FTFY
Uh-huh, Russia blows up its own civilian populations just like it blows up its own gas pipelines.
Deeply unserious cope.
its own
I’m trying my best to follow but where did “its own” come from here?
The civilian population under discussion is Russia’s own. That’s what this post is about.
You don’t understand the lib mindset, they’re always talking about their monster nazi rapist orc vs the good guys scenario. The post is just an excuse to bring out the script.
They kill their own citizens to hide military losses? You gotta be insane to believe this 😂
But i guess you also believe Russia destroyed their own infrastructure.
You don’t think a country like Russia would kill a few of their civilians in a false flag attack to win a war? Look up and read about any of the major false flag attacks throughout history, consider Russia has a deep history of genocide against their own population, and look up how many Ukrainian civilians have been killed by Russia in the last 8 years
Last I checked it’s AFU that’s getting routed in Kursk. Of course, nobody should expect people who weren’t able to engage with the facts for the past three years to start doing that now.
You mean… both of them do it?
Wow, the power of truth!
More correct is just “Russia is attacking civilians”
If Ukraine ran out of civilians they would start attacking civilians in another country
Sometimes I wonder how the fuck we as the world have been getting all of our shit stolen by people this delusional.
You’re a fucking hair away from being a nazi ragging on about how immigrants are gonna come in and assault everybody and then move elsewhere when they’re done, look in the mirror a little jfc. Hell, you’re already using their asiatic horde script.
There is a comedic lack of self awareness or a comedic lack of historical knowledge in your comment
Historical knowledge like this?
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
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Or this?- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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Or this?- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Somebody in here does have a lack of self awareness, but it’s tragic more than it is funny. I’m past seeing the fun in yet another westerner frothing at the mouth.
Do illuminate me though, I’m sure such a brash and confident attitude can only come from
white mediocrityreading a lot of history and political theory books and not just, like, vibes and half remembered headlines.Imperialism doesn’t just end at one country it continues. Look at Occupied China, their 1930 border was a lot smaller than their 1949 border, and they added Tibet. In recent history they added HK and are looking towards Taiwan
You know it’s not about liberating Ukrainians because Russia hasn’t returned any land, if you are going to say that’s because Ukraine is still evil then why aren’t the liberated lands independent of both Russia and Ukraine?
If you think Ukraine is the aggressor in this then how much ground combat has happened in Russia? I’m sure your unbiased/non-western sources are full of battles taking place around Moscow and Saint Petersburg
Look at Occupied China
🤡 Occupied by whom, other than the Chinese people themselves? You know that Chiang Kai-shek was a fascist who the peasantry chased off the mainland and exiled to an island, right? The only reason they didn’t Luigi him is the US intervened, to protect a fascist.
they added Tibet
I’m pretty sure virtually all of the Tibetan people are happy to no longer be suffering under theocratic feudalism. Happy to no longer be illiterate serfs and slaves, suffering depredation under a god-king. I doubt many of them are sad that CIA asset Dalai “suck my tongue” Lama is in exile.
In recent history they added HK
Because the UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate Hong Kong ended, yes. A lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion.
If you think Ukraine is the aggressor in this then how much ground combat has happened in Russia? I’m sure your unbiased/non-western sources are full of battles taking place around Moscow and Saint Petersburg
I don’t know where you’re going with this straw man. No one claiming that Russia didn’t invade Ukraine.
You think China peacefully reintegrating Hong Kong from British rule is… Chinese imperialism?
When was it? I’m looking at Russian news and not seeing anything, they’re usually pretty eager to talk about drone attacks. I read about one on Nizhny Novgorod, IIRC it was early morning 11.03
Thanks! Guess I didn’t look hard enough
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I don’t really think that’s accurate. Have you actually tried to have a conversation with Marxists regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war, or the Russian Federation or NATO in general? I think you’ll be better able to make sense of Marxist takes, especially if you presumably haven’t read Lenin.
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👏 a well deserved clap back👏
Just like 9/11
Turns out imperialism is bad regardless of it being US or Russian
Did you respond to the wrong comment?
Nope.
9/11 is a direct response to US imperialism in the middle east and tied directly with our abandonment of the mujahideen following supporting them throughout the Soviet Afghan war.
Our abandonment before their government stabilized is responsible for the rise of the Taliban and the influence of Bin Laden.
Ukraine targeting civilian centers like this is exactly the same kind of clap back against imperialist greed for land and resources.
Imperialism and authoritarian behavior historically always meets bloody resistance; see also Hamas in Palestine.
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will never see their home firebombed
Don’t count those chickens just yet!
Moat people still don’t connect arming extremists in Afghanistan in the 80s to 9/11. There’s an obvious risk of a bunch of Azov Nazis turning to terrorism against former allies who “stabbed them in the back” here, too.
And, exactly like the mujahideen that became Al-Qaeda, the CIA trained these particular extremists to almost exclusively target civilians and stage terror attacks.
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Neo liberals: This is just Russian propaganda!!! We must continue giving more guns bombs tanks and military ordinance to the Ukraine to defend democracy which we don’y…. I mean definitely still do have here in the United states because of……. I mean DESPITE… Malignant Russian actors who perpetrated the DNC leaks 9 years ago and DEFINITELY NOT wall street corporate military and prison industry profiteers who own both political parties and collude to manipulate the American people and maintain their fascist neo-feudalistic state at all costs!!!
Of course world news is filled with neo libs who think the solution to the issues is just to vote harder and that democracy in the usa wasn’t obviously compromised decades ago. Man you guys are so delulu.
You write like a hallucinating LLM.
What?
Wow. I’m kinda shocked by this news. Ukraine on the offensive? Why?
They’re not on an offensive, they’re just sending drones to attack civilian infrastructure to distract from their collapse in Kursk https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/11/retreat-ukrainian-brigades-appear-to-be-leaving-kursk/
They need to have some success to put onto the table and show USA and EU they still can win. Regardless of this “win” being basically terror attack, USA and EU loves them anyway.
Negotiations in Saudi right now. Ukraine probably wants to show they are willing to bomb cities just like Russia if they do not get a good deal.
Likely also to distract from the massive disaster that’s unfolding in Kursk.
How come when Russia drops bombs it’s a military target (or something meters away from one) but when Ukraine drops bombs it’s always schools, apartments, and shopping malls?
Russia has dropped many bombs on civilians building and infrastructure.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/ again, meters away from military targets.
Amnesty has to throw its “both sides” shit into it as always but even a propaganda arm of the UK government admits Ukraine has been deliberately firing weapons dangerously close and often within civilian infrastructure. That “hamas uses human shields” nonsense that nobody ever provides proof of? There’s ample proof when it comes to Ukraine (and Israel), it’s the CIA playbook.
At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles.
Maybe read your own article?
“…In certain other locations in which Amnesty International concluded that Russia had committed war crimes, including in some areas of the city of Kharkiv, the organization did not find evidence of Ukrainian forces located in the civilian areas unlawfully targeted by the Russian military.”
Using your same source (therefore I assume you accept it as credible) here are a few articles from this year showing Russia as the problem in the conflict, including one specifically calling out the Russia war crimes against civilians (you should particularly pay attention to the link to the report about “deadly Russian airstrikes on civilians”)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/end-war-crimes-against-ukrainians-in-russian-captivity/
What is that quote supposed to prove or disprove? No one is implying* that Russia has a perfect scorecard for respecting international treaties.
The bigger point of this article (that seems to go over your head) is that Ukraine also has a responsibility to prevent civilian casualties, which it has neglected regularly. Furthermore, the drone bombing act seems to have been a massive indiscriminate attack, looking at the images, there’s multiple nonsensical targets such as civilians dwelling and some civilian parking lots. Whyever would any serious military target those? All this does is escalate a bloody conflict that should’ve been diplomatically settled years ago.
Maybe understand that Amnesty always has been a tool for manufacturing consent for western intervention, and if they’re criticizing a western ally that means something is horribly wrong with them, but they’re gonna have to fling criticism at the other party any way they can as well.
I don’t use it because I consider it trustworthy in and of itself, but because you probably do. In the same way you’d probably use a CGTN source to say “even china admits it” or teleSUR to say “even Venezuela admits it” when criticizing either of them.
the same way you’d probably use a CGTN source to say “even china admits it” or teleSUR to say “even Venezuela admits it” when criticizing either of them.
Nah, it’s just China bad with infinite Zenz source loops.
I don’t use it because I consider it trustworthy in and of itself, but because you probably do
Right but the source you cited was literally saying the exact opposite of what you claimed.
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Interesting, thank you for sharing.
Didn’t Russia bomb a building with “children” painted in front of it once
Russia just killed six people, including two children in Donetsk yesterday.
(crickets…)
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
If that’s not possible, please check news sources other than RT.
You are either a troll, a Russian bot, or completely obtuse.
bombing civilian targets yields bigger optics and fatigues the population
i don’t know that the split in strategy between the two belligerents is as plain as you’re implicating though
Let’s not pretend as if anyone here can know the real answer to that. But… Kyiv has been attacked with terror attacks since the start of this war, so why not Moscow? Perhaps it might bring some sense to the russian people who are currently complete sheeps when it comes to their leadership.
Unfortunately(?) attacks against civilians rarely work in lowering morale.
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At this point, even if not great, I’m not actually entirely against Hamas doing that.
But again, the same thing applies to attacks against civilians. It rarely works in any strategic sense.
