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    The only people it makes sense to, for Canada becoming a US state, is the people in the USA.

    We have land and resources they need, that we are happy to sell them, year over year.

    Also, just to mention, the dairy thing? Yeah, that’s on dairy products beyond a certain cap. It’s there to encourage the use of Canadian dairy, instead of relying on foreign dairy… You know, so our dairy farmers don’t go broke.

    Looking at the records, that import limit has been hit… Carry the one… Yeah, exactly zero times.

    🖕

    Sincerely,

    • Canada
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        I literally thought it was another one of his stupid speaking mistakes, like when he suggested bleach/UV inside the body (he was just repeating some stuff he didn’t understand badly, and iirc he didn’t keep harping on it). Kinda surprised to see he was serious about it, it makes no sense to me either.

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        I guess he’s also admitting to his desire of never having any new elections? As Canada would get like over 50 seats in the electoral college…

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        That’s fair. There’s still sensible people in the USA.

        I was a little unclear before, the set of people who think this makes sense is entirely within the set of people in the USA. Which doesn’t and shouldn’t imply that all people in the USA believe that this makes sense.

        I apologize if there was any implication of lumping all Americans into the same pool of stupidity. That’s an insult to you and I am sorry.

        Have a good day neighbor.

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          Nah we’re good. I totally get the intent and point. And I’m one of the ones hit by the electricity thing. Sucks, but y’all have to fight back.

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            Sorry about that. I’m not far from the border at Niagara falls and I know how much power is sent over the lines across the Niagara River (generally)… It’s not great, and I’m sorry you have been caught in the crossfire here.

            You don’t want this, I can assure you, we don’t want this, but it’s what is happening.

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          I don’t even think the people who voted for Trump had annexing Canada on their minds when filling out their ballots. Was it mentioned once during the campaign? I wasn’t listening, I knew I wasn’t gonna vote for him 9 years ago.

          I mean, until last month when cross-border relations got kicked in the teeth by the diaper in chief, what did I need the State of Canada for? I had the Nation of Canada right there. It’s not like we weren’t hugely cooperative trade partners or anything.

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            To be clear, the people who want this are the American capitalists who stand to profit off of Canada’s natural resources. If we were a US state it would be much easier, almost downright trivial, to move up here and take whatever they want.

            Obviously, Canada, and Canadians, don’t want that, and it would seem most of the US population doesn’t either.

            IMO, this seems like a move by the people who are puppeteering Trump around. They see an opportunity to exploit what is currently a sovereign nation, and they’re going for using Trump as little more than a mouthpiece for their goals.

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        Canada would never be state. A territory of unending insurgency at best, until the US killed every last one of us.

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    We like our women with bodily autonomy and with the right to choose.

    We like our right to protest without the fear of being jailed and deported.

    We like our heads of state to be respectful and respected on the world stage.

    We like our right to privacy without surveillance, and our civil servants free from Krasnov’s oligarchs.

    Most importantly, we like our beer to be unshittified!

    Sincerely,

    The Canadians who haven’t already fallen victim to your propaganda.

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    ADDITIONAL 25% Tariff, to 50%, on all STEEL and ALUMINUM COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES FROM CANADA,

    My company:

    Has two shops 1 in Canada and 1 in the US; US shop now solely handles all American related jobs while Canada handles any job globally, besides the US.

    Real smart play here ol trump

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    80-year-old angsty teen… how can anyone take this man child seriously?

    We don’t want to be the 51st state. The idea repulses us, actually.

    Elbows up, guys!

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        The dipshits that voted for him didn’t take him seriously either, they just wanted to fuck over the left, who they’ve been told is a enemy and threat for the last 25 years on Fox and AM radio. The other group that didn’t take him seriously were the ones who sat out or protest voted.

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      how can anyone take this man child seriously?

      Trumpy’s cultists will take him serious. Those cultists are going to be a problem.

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    No one wants to be america. People want to be human beings that are able live as human beings. People don’t want to be pawns to a machine that sucks humanity and souls from living bodies.

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        It’s true. It feels like the only place on the planet that rewards being that ignorant and hateful lout at the party who thinks compassion is some type of gay sex.

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          This is so true, lol. And it’s just like America to attach sex to everything little miniscule thing. If they weren’t serious it would be comical.

          Another thing. Sex/nudity is only okay in media. Anything goes when it’s sold mainstream, but if you have kink… Bam! You automatically a pervert, and if your are gay, your a pedophile rapist pervert.

          And what wild is they create these people they hate. These sexual deviances probably wouldn’t happen if America wasn’t so prudish in real life. There’s such a a dissonance in terms of sexuality, nudity, media and reality.

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        I went through my ancestry last week with the hope I’d have something to grant me citizenship elsewhere. My dad’s side went back 6 generations and I still didn’t find anyone outside the US. My mother’s was 5 generations before I hit Austria and Germany.

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        Do Canadians not do that? I’d have thought so considering Canada has had waves of settlers much like the US; but I’ve not met many Canadians, so I wouldn’t know.

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          It’s not that people don’t have mixed ancestry in other countries, it’s that nobody mentions it or cares. Americans seem weirdly obsessed with it.

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      The USA needs congressional approval to officially go to war against another sovereign nation. Like with Afghanistan or Iraq. BUT Republicans control the house and Senate, and sure if they’re that fucking delusional they could vote for it. But with that being said, it would 100% rip America apart and they fucking deserve it. Not only would we not put up with that shit and I would gladly shoot any foreign soldier on our land, it would mean the Russians getting exactly what they wanted.

      Americans reading this, GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER or you or your friends are going to start fucking dying on our fucking land for no other reason than a fat orange fucks vanity. You will be ostracized by the developed world and I for one will never fucking forgive you.

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        As an American who has avoided joining the American military because I’ve been afraid of dying in a war, I’m almost leaning into wanting to join the Canadian military at this point. As I’m much less afraid of dying now that I’m nigh suicidal and Canadian sovereignty sounds like a viable cause to actually fight for.

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        They voted for this. So I don’t have any sympathy for them saying Trump doesn’t represent them. He does. They go on and on about how they’re the greatest country in the world, and how their government is ‘of the people, by the people, for the people’. They’re more responsible for the actions of their government than any other nation is for theirs.

        And the American mentality is that their pride will never let them admit if they’re wrong. So even though they may know that talks of annexation and taking away our country are beyond offensive, they can’t say it. They have to say that it’s for some greater good that no one else can see, even if they know it’s BS. But the problem is, short of NATO putting troops in our country to help fight off an invasion, I don’t know what would stop the US from just trying to take whatever they want in the name of ‘freedom’. And the funny thing is, on the Cato Human Freedom Index, which measures a person’s person, economic and civil freedom, we rank higher than the US. We’re #11, and the US, the leader of the free world, is #17. So how are they the ‘freest nation’ in the world? Why would we downgrade ourselves by joining them? We wouldn’t. No one would. Unless it was by force.

        I’ve said this before, and I meant it then; the mentality of the US is that they’re basically a r***** telling their victim that if they lay down and let them (USA) have their way with them, they won’t get hurt. THAT’s the US right now. They’re our neighbours, but they’re NOT our friends. And they probably never were. They just finished hurting other nations, and decided to turn their attention to us.

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          Yup. But there is zero fucking chance we would let them take this place willy nilly. I will die before I yield any land to these facist thugs. As our countrymen and women fought before us, we will remain the true north strong and free, or we will DIE to defend it. The dreams of this great country of ours will never die

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            Absolutely. I honestly think one of their reasons for talking about annexation, and why our country, isn’t ‘viable’, is because they know our country is better than theirs. But rather than try to course correct aspects of their own nation that they know are messed up, they’d rather tear down ours. It’s pride and their inferiority complex.

            They keep going on about how they’re the ‘greatest country in the world’, but they have things happen in their country that don’t happen in Canada, like mass shootings, school shootings, class inequality, poor or non-existent social safety nets, and a culture of needing someone to hate, or ‘other’. The US says that those bad things that happen in their country are unfortunate, but unavoidable in the ‘freest country in the world’, yet, right next to them, on their northern border, is our country. Canada. A country that ranks higher than theirs on the Cato Human Freedom Index.

            A country that doesn’t have school and mass shootings anywhere near the scale they do. Do we have inequality? Yes, but not to the same extent they do. We have more social programs that, while not perfect, do work to try and protect the more vulnerable. And our health care is seen as a right, rather than a for profit business model.

            Our very presence next to them is a contradiction to their argument that

            1. they’re they best in the world, (they’re not) and

            2. that whatever horrible things that do go on in their country, would happen in any other western nation. (they don’t).

            They have to try and undercut and undermine us. It’s the only way they can convince their own people that they’re still the best; by kicking down and trying to tear down any country that isn’t as messed up as theirs.

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        Previous presidents have famously committed acts of war without the consent of congress. Including assassinations and drone strikes on civilians.

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          Oh 100%. But for a full fledged WAR? It takes a lot of congressional and public will power to do that. Just saying that for them to go ahead and declare war so easily with zero public insight, would cause them to rip themselves apart

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      It’s difficult to invade when in a recession and you have to deploy military against your own citizens to protect Tesla buildings.

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      He clearly wants Canada, but it’s not clear he wants it that bad. If he thinks more expensive electricity is a nasty move he’s probably not too hot about stuff and people blowing up.

      I suspect the next few months will be a lot like the past one for Canada. Not better or worse.

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      Is it bad that I want him to try?

      Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force, and even then Emperor Clementine would need a 2/3 majority vote in the Senate to ratify and prove the annexation was legal, which I doubt he’ll get.

      F*ck around and find out, as it were.

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        Historically, the US has never acquired territory by force

        Fucking What

        Was your historian a rabid white supremacist who pretends none of the Indian Wars happened, much less the Mexican or Spanish-American Wars?

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          No, you’re absolutely correct! I meant it more along the lines of the “We take nothing by conquest” rhetoric, which is equally hypocritical considering the reality. I didn’t really want to add an “/s” to the statement… Yes, the US killed a lot of people in Mexican territory, but then they made up a treaty and paid $15mil for half of the land 🤷 (heavily simplified).

          But it’s 2025, and I’m honestly not sure if the geopolitical climate is in a better or worse state than it was 170 years ago. And if not worse on average, it’s definitely widely polarized.

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        Yes, it’s bad. We’d lose. Maybe they’d lose too, but if so it’s going to involve Taliban-like timelines and Afghanistan-like living conditions that whole time.

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          Yeah, as much as I’d like to pretend it will also prompt the Second American Civil War and swathes of military officers refusing orders I simply don’t have faith in Americans to do the right thing.

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            It’s famously a lot easier to “just follow orders”, and they only need a fraction of their forces to agree to make it happen. I highly doubt they’d fight each other on our behalf, at least.

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        Ya I want him to try as well. I am so fucking sick of republicans and magats dragging down the entire human race. Can you imagine what the world would be like if bush didn’t steal the election from al gore? No war in the middle east, probably would have resulted is way better relations between countries all around the world. Would have resulted in more prosperity for everyone. Would have been a massive coordinated effort to fight climate change. They’d probably have healthcare by now. To this day republicans have been hell bent on destroying the world. I hope they come to Canada. Wiping them out would be the highest possible purpose my life could ever serve. Even if I could only take out one of those magat freaks with me, it would be worth it. Lets fucking go, ill be ready.

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        Even if he fails, our quality of life would significantly decrease. Not really wanting to become an insurgent and get my brains blown out by a delta force operator or something. Not saying we should back down in any case, but the prospect of an invasion like that is scary af.

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        I dunno, is it bad that you’ve brainwashed yourself and are now actively radicalizing yourself? It’s a judgement call.

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    I will shortly be declaring a National Emergency on Electricity within the threatened area. This will allow the U.S to quickly do what has to be done to alleviate this abusive threat from Canada.

    This shit is ominous. This demon is ready to invade and take control of the Québec-Windsor corridor.

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      I think Ontario has already paused the Export tax unfortunately. But I would absolutely call his bluff. An attack on Canada would mean a full-blown article 5 crisis before Trump has all of the cards that he wants. While he might be that stupid. Others in his administration aren’t.

      Just in case, a good show from Carney would be to deploy the military to the area because of an increased threat of terrorism.

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      Yeah well, if he thinks he’ll win long term against Québec, he’s not ready for reality 😂

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          I mean, the US has been a major violator of human rights for…decades? Longer? Since it’s inception possibly? I mean just look at their prison system. Or the whole Guantanamo thing. Or the ICE concentration camps.

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              The issue isn’t so much that most Canadians don’t like war, it’s that war is on our doorstep and all the efforts we’ve made to avoid it haven’t worked.

              I know a couple of men who can’t be reasoned with or cajoled into doing what’s right. They’re the type who will murder someone because they felt offended.

              That’s what Trump is like as well. There is no half-way, no compromise. It’s his way or the highway. So essentially we have little to no choice in the matter. We either fight or we become the 51st state (or more likely a territory that has zero say in gov’t but who are taxed like they do).

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      Russia’s objective isn’t tariffs – it’s to splinter/decouple international coordination and cooperation amongst western nations.

      So, yeah. The faster Trump can accelerate that, the happier his boss’ll be.

      Like the buy[local] type campaigns are most likely getting a bit of a bump from Russian propaganda agents – even if they are ‘real’ sentiments to some extent too.

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      I recently met two Albertans out here in South Korea at a bar. They were on the other side of the bar from me, and when they walked past, I greeted them as an Ontarian and offered to shake their hands. They both declined the handshake and proudly announced, “We’re not on the same team.”

      That was a few weeks ago. I’m still disturbed by it. I knew Albertans had a reputation because of the politicking there. But I hadn’t realized it would be so blatant. That same night, two South Africans happily asked me my thoughts on Trump, and I was perhaps too honest in my first statement, and they grew upset with me and insisted he was good for Canadians and South Africans, both.

      I left the bar not long after. Haven’t seen those four come back, so there is a bright side to the story, at least.

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        My friends from Alberta are not like that. But they did get banned from Canadian Tire during covid, since they are native.

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        They refused to shake your hand because you are from Ontario? What the heck… they need mental health care.

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        Lol they should fucking stay in South Korea. They are definately in the minority, it’s a larger minority then most of Canadas opinion but goddamn they are still a minority. Should have told them to never fucking come back

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          No, I don’t want them here, haha. This is my future home, I don’t need that nonsense here! It’s also my friend’s bar, so I don’t particularly want to ruin business for him. But I did talk with him about it later.

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        That’s not what is happening. I know it’s upsetting that there are people who believe differently than you do. That’s what this article is about: that there exist people with some truly upsetting opinions, and furthermore, that we know a bit about their demographic make up.

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          The more you platform them the more voice and visibility they get, which ends up drawing support for this 51st nonsense. I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit. They should stop voting for policies and parties that privilege the rich. But they’re too dumb for even that.

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            I don’t care to learn about the ignorant mindset of traitorous pieces of shit.

            How the fuck else do you hope to… no, never mind. We’re not having a discussion, you’re just making emotional expressions. But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.

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              But I will say that this model of yours that says people do these things because they are stupid or “dumb” might help you cope emotionally, but it prevents you from reaching any genuine insight.

              I’m not the person you were responding to but I just wanted to make perfectly clear that you are 100% full of shit.

              It doesn’t give anyone ANY measure of “cope” that so many people are fucking stupid. Its terrifying, despairing, and awful. I would rather delusionally believe I could convince them of rational stances, now that would be cope.

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                You should probably… idk, actually read what they said.

                Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.

                Yes, approaching discourse this way and believing that you can achieve any kind of middle ground is delusional.

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                  Treating everyone you disagree with like they’re stupid is coping emotionally. Instead of taking the time to, idk discuss things with people they’ve written them off as dumb before they ever speak to them.

                  You don’t know fuck all how much I’ve done precisely that. I obsessively debated various political and economic ideologies for like a straight decade of my life in invite-only forums specifically designed for such debate. I changed my own mind over time, and changed other people’s minds. I’ve done it.

                  But I promise you, the people supporting these ideas proposed by the Trump administration are not just stupid, but WILLINGLY IGNORANT for their own selfish purposes. The amount coursing hatred I feel for them burns like the accretion disc of a quasar.

                  They are not people I would bother to debate. They are quite literally just my enemy. Mortal enemies. I don’t want middle ground with them. I want something else.

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                  I can unequivocally say that anyone entertaining the idea of Canada as a state as a good idea - is a fucking tool. Yeah I’m going to write that off. There’s no middle ground with people too dumb to realize they would be much worse off in that scenario.

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            There is a very important difference between “platforming” and “reporting” and you really should to learn what it is before you start policing people.

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              Platforming is perhaps the wrong term, maybe “selective reporting” and “cherry picking” fits better.