There’s always been people doubting science. Nothing new
“Science just doesn’t know if this trans stuff is safe, don’t Leftists know their biology? Men are men and women are women!” Is something my trans ass is tired of hearing.
People have started to believe that opinions are the same or better than facts. That’s also the reason why politics is fucked.
People have also gone from disagreeing with each other to outright despising the other party and all people who are associated. Social media has created an echo chamber that has divided us unfortunately.
Ironic that the Right is the movement associated with the phrase “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”
“Facts researched by the University of My Brown Balls”
No shit it’s not shaped like an eagle. It’s shaped like a velociraptor.
Maybe I am in a different environment (particularly not being American), but the old scientists still exist and are still hard at work. In fact, all scientists I know (and I work in academia) care very little for misinformation on their day to day lives. They’ll make fun of it, but don’t have any more contact with them than anyone else. They still spend most of their time working on their actual projects. The only thing that changed is that now they’re bending over backwards to include AI in their grants to make sure they’re accepted, but having to include the latest buzzwords is nothing new.
Science communicators, on the other hand, yeah, those probably have their hands full with fixing misinformation.
I bet they do still consume misinformation, just not in their fields. I know enough scientists that believe in great man theory or that a magic hand fixes the market to know that they’re out there.
Eh… a lot of people were protesting “Frankenfood” when the human genome project was going on.
People have always been idiots about science, just that the idiots are more organized and more vocal now.
I mean, everyone knows were on the back of a turtle, being held up by elephants
Nice try.
Everyone knows it’s turtles all the way down.
The turtle is named the Great A’Tuin, btw
Behold, the Turtle! of enormous GIRTH!
Upon his shell, he holds the EARTH!
The turtle moves
The turtle moves!
So funny, if atlas hear you will drop the land to the void
(… ya’ll, should we get a community? is there one already?)
There’s !discworld@lemmy.ml
But, being on .ml, not everyone has a guarantee of access, since it gets defederated from a few instances. There’s a couple of others, but they’re really not active at all.
I’d suggest literature.cafe, if anyone was to start a new one. Kinda their focus
COVID was somehow the visceral turning point. Variations on visitor restrictions in hospitals still exist since then due to the extraordinary and amazing displays of bad behavior from that time.
People could always behave badly. Direct care staff, as one example, have been wearing panic buttons linked directly to security and calling a violence code over the announcement system, since around 2015 on the medical side of things.
But COVID was a severe escalation point. Families screaming in hallways that the diagnoses was “fake news” or part of the hospitals “corporate conspiracy” escalating to the point of pulling medical equipment off their loved ones, who could not breathe without that medical equipment.
Behaviors that could potentially kill people wrapped up in an inexorable belief that science was lying. No trust of medical personnel who are there to help whatever the system around them contrives to do with care.
While the behaviors are not like COVID times any more, there’s a residual skepticism of, well, everything since that time. Sadly, one that is preyed upon by politics to keep us fighting one another instead of punching up.
Forgive me, maybe “punching up” is now a ban-worthy turn of phrase.
I’m in a very conservative state and until recently I worked in hospitals around the country. You would not believe the amount of times I’ve heard covid conspiracy shit from actual healthcare workers. The most common one is that it’s just the flu, but when anyone died for any reason at the time they put down covid as cause of death. Why would anyone do this? I guess it doesn’t have to make sense. Just to hazard a guess I’d say more than half of the people in my state believe some form of covid conspiracy or disinformation.
I used to live in Seattle and while I didn’t work in the medical field… I knew quite a lot of nurses and other, fairly entry level kinds of medical workers.
Most of these people, again, in Seattle, a supposed bastion of lefties… were vaccine skeptics or outright antivax, when COVID happened.
A lot of these people came from the more conservative areas outside Seattle, and then worked in Seattle because it was the only area hiring… but yeah, my anecdotal experience was/is that many medical staff themselves succumbed to vaccine conspiracies, and would freely admit and bitch about masking and vaccines when off the job.
my anecdotal experience was/is that many medical staff themselves succumbed to vaccine conspiracies, and would freely admit and bitch about masking and vaccines when off the job.
Not even just off the job. I worked at a surgery center during the first few years of COVID, and I still distinctly remember at least one surgeon walking around the clinical areas with a mask that read “this mask does nothing”. And I’m pretty sure he was seeing patients wearing that too.
I am still baffled by that, because this fucking window licker had to have taken microbiology, and literally wore a mask every goddamned times they did the thing they trained for.
Maine lost something like a third of its nurses to a vaccine mandate. Which is cute because medical staff, all the way down to janitorial (hi) get updated vaccines every year.
Forgive me, maybe “punching up” is now a ban-worthy turn of phrase.
This isn’t reddit, you can say whatever you want
Luigi did nothing wrong and neither did the guy who actually fired the gun
It’s mostly the red hat cult that doesn’t trust science.
What do you have against redhat.com?
They shifted to a paid subscription model and fucked over any goodwill they had. Yeah they were major contributors to open source, but we gave them clemency because we didn’t think they’d position themselves to fuck us over so eagerly. Had we known, we wouldn’t have made so many downstream distros from them.
When was RHEL non-sub? I’m guessing you’re thinking of the code availability change, or maybe centos? Or are you literally thinking of the RH and not RHEL?
Yeah they were major contributors to open source
Still are.
Had we known, we wouldn’t have made so many downstream distros from them.
I remember rocky, alma, oracle, and Amazon. 2 of those are now upstream, 2 are still downstream (and only 1 wasn’t corpo backed).
Alternatively they might not have made that change if people weren’t literally repacking their product and trying to steal their market share by giving it away for free with cheaper enterprise support. Imagine telling that to a room of rich shareholders.
You can’t jump on an already successful FOSS product, make large changes to it under an extremely copy-left license free for all to use, and then turn around and claim that people are stealing your lunch.
In the world of business where everyone claims to have bootstrapped their products out of thin air? Sure, use that Looney tunes logic.
I agree with you, but we aren’t corpo assholes. And those changes were allowed under that extremely copy-left license.
Those changes were heartily welcome; no other company that I know of has believed in Linux so strongly and so early on than RedHat. But if they were doing it all for financial reasons, (as any company would, as there was definite money to be made in a Windows alternative for enterprise systems), then either they were blind to the idea that they would empower any future competitors who could fork off their contributions, or deaf to the notion of what FOSS ultimately was and sought to undermine/control it in the long-run.
I’m bitter about RedHat because I wonder now if the second option was the plan all along.
Not that red hat cult, the other one. 😂
This one? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red+hat+cult
I really don’t get it.
MAGA cult
This memes imagery couldn’t be more reversed from reality even if the message is accurate.
It’s an awkward example to pick. Human genome research was so controversial someone made an award-winning dystopian sci-fi movie to criticise it.
We did collectively get Maya Hawke out of that deal, though.
Incidentally, that was written by the same guy who made dystopian fiction about reality TV and corporate-sponsored vtubers before either thing existed. Andrew Niccol turned out to be amazing at spotting upcoming trends, terrible at identifying how exactly they would ruin things.
Science then: if you try to prove that the Earth orbits around the sun, we’ll have you tortured and killed
Science now: 2x2 is not 6, but go off Terry
To be fair: there are momebts when 2x2 =6 may not be an entirely unreasonable way of looking at things. (It would mean that 2=0, which is an assumtion that both can be made and is sometimes made)
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I mean at the time, religion and science were closely intertwined, with primarily religious scholars studying astronomy and astrology
The idea that science and dogma are entirely separate things is a great way to turn yourself into a Richard Dawkins. Everyone has some ideology or another that will influence any research they do.
It took me way too long and finally zooming in to realize the first dude didn’t strap knives to his face…
The earth is an island on a turtles back.
in less than a decade
I hate to tell you this, but the Human Genome Project the meme is referencing was completed in 2003 and published in 2004.
Time sure flies 🥲
more than any specific project the meme may be referencing, it’s pointing out the difference between scientific acceptance and derision, which has changed more drastically in the last 10 years than in the last 20.
Science derision, has been around for forever, look up the history of anti-vaccination leagues in the UK and US in response to the small pox vaccine in the 1800s. There were antivax parents at my primary school in the 90s too. They were just in pockets of small communities before, and therefore wielded less power. Social media has allowed them to gather into one town square and allowed them to reinforce each other’s delusions, amplify their voices, spread (aptly) like a virus, and most importantly tie it to a political/culture war.
Or it’s the consequences of lead and heavy metals poisoning finally coming to their natural conclusion regarding the function of the human brain.
unfortunately, your new comment is a further pedantic and unnecessary expansion of both what the meme and my comment succinctly stated; you are apparently still missing the point of memes in general, this meme in particular and my comment: the specifically rapid public shift from science appreciation to scientific derision.
I’m happy you’re finally learning about this, but please make it clear that you have discovered something new for yourself and the reason you are publicly sharing this common knowledge, rather than pretending I asked for you to make a perfectly enjoyable, understandable meme 40 times longer and less clear.
Then let me be succinct: There was never any “science appreciation” among the general public, and if you think there was, you’re in a bubble. A specific, most likely higher educated and most likely American bubble. You’re just hearing voices outside the bubble now.
Condescending comments like your reply might contribute to the science derision though, just saying.
Nah man, this is recency bias, pre internet science was generally well regarded and respected. There is empirical evidence to support this even over just the last 10 years.
“There was never any “science appreciation” among the general public”
you are demonstrably incorrect and your confident ignorance is insulting and harmful in general.
but here I am, being the guardrail to your misinformation again:
less than a decade ago, measles was eradicated from the US.
since then, vaccinations and science in general have been maligned and you can see in national polls that scientific authority is less respected than it was a decade ago to the point that measles has been brought back and is now killing children again.
because in less than a decade, science appreciation has turned into scientific derision.
you are completely wrong here, and you are not helping anything by spreading misinformation and flaunting your ignorance of the matter.
“…comments like your reply might contribute to the science derision though, just saying.”
of course you are “just saying”, that is the problem with your comments: they add no value…
value-added comments are what is needed.
If your comments do not add value, as your three have not in this thread, then they are value-less and should be withheld.
you are adrift.
Measles vaccinations being down can also be linked to mandatory vaccination laws being taken off the books across states during the last decade. It says nothing about the inherent levels of scientific education of the parents doing so.
Previously, parents were mandated by law to have their children vaccinated at birth or to attend schools. We don’t know if they would have opted to vaccinate their kids if it wasn’t mandatory, and it definitely doesn’t point to them “appreciating science” more.
Again, very condescending reply from you, considering correlation /= causation is a basic rule of research.
Enjoy your crashout, ig.
