Does Matrix have screen sharing where multiple participants can screen share simultaneously yet? Because that’s the feature all of my friends use.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Discord, but if no one brings up screen sharing when Matrix is mentioned as an alternative then it’ll never be implemented.
This is the public test version of the new call system that you can try without an account https://call.element.io/
Its pretty new and still evolving, but this is basically just embedded in Element if you start a call in the client. From my test just now it doesnt look like you can have two people screensharing at once :( The screensharing itself works fine tho, it looks like a new share by a different person will just overwrite the previously started one.
That’s a somewhat weird, to me, use case. Even in a business setting, we share our screens with colleagues via meet or slack only one or two at a time. How does this work on Discord and why would a party of people do it?
That’s just natural. Discord has a huge weight of numbers. People stay where they already are, unless there is significant motivation to move.
Matrix would have to be MUCH better than Discord in terms of features to attract people to move their whole communities and friend groups, not just simply on-par. And that’s pretty tough.
So yes - we’re basically waiting for Discord to continue its slow march into enshittification.
Is there a fool-proof beginner’s guide for Matrix? I started reading the documentation the other day and got a bit overwhelmed. Never did end up figuring out how to use it.
You probably already know that its federated, so first step would be picking a server. I would pick one that is on your continent from this list. https://servers.joinmatrix.org/
I would not recommend using the matrix.org server but im too lazy right now to explain why. (basically the same as the arguments against pushing users to lemmy.world)
I would also not use a web based client long term. In the next step you will need to for registration, which is kind of stupid, but you can just log out of the web client after the registration is done.
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Im just gonna randomly pick the server https://gemeinsam.jetzt/ (Austria) from the earlier list. From the list it links you to https://element.gemeinsam.jetzt/ for registration. If you click on “Create Account” it will give you this prompt:
After you fill everything out (+ email confirmation) you will be logged in. Now you have an account that you can use to log into a proper client with an address that look like this @username:gemeinsam.jetzt
You can now log out of the web client as you dont need it anymore. (It might warn you that you are logging out of your last device/session but thats ok).
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Now you can pick a client (there are many but these are the most up to date ones).
So now you have an account on a server of your choosing and a client which means you just give the client your full address like @username:gemeinsam.jetzt to log in and the client will automatically figure out what server your account is on. Put in your password and you are logged in.
Every time you log into a new client, it creates a new session/device that will have its own independent set of message encryption keys unless verified by another existing device/session. That means to keep your keys synchronized (and messages readable) the client will always request you to verify new devices (other than the first one) upon login.
As you logged out of the only remaining session/device earlier, this newly created one should again be the first and only one of the account. You can verify this in the client settings by looking at the “Sessions” section.
Thats basically it for the initial setup. See following section for why you should have either multiple devices/sessions or set up a recovery key.
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Your messages are stored in your account data on your server, but they are encrypted, so if you lose access to all your devices, then all those messages are gone. To prevent that you can create a “recovery key” which is just a long password that is used to encrypt your encryption keys so they too can be stored safely on your server. This allows you to restore your messages even if all devices are lost by entering the recovery key after logging in from a new device.
If you want to use multiple devices just log in on that device and follow the prompt to “verify this session from another device”. (works by QR code or comparing some emojis) By verifying a session, you synchronize all your message encryption keys to that device/session. The easiest way to verify new devices is like this, by using an existing device.
Let me know if you get stuck anywhere and i will try to help you out :)
(But more seriously, thank you for the info. This looks involved, so I may attempt it this weekend. Discord declined so rapidly I had to stop using it before finding an alternative.)
I just did this to test out the process for a client who has to replace skype in their workplace, and it wasn’t bad.
I looked up servers on the web, picked the privacy DIY server, installed Element app, registered in the app using a “token” from the server website, confirmed via email - web link, and done, about 15 minutes plus figuring out the token part (had to reread instructions).
Ah I guess that was confusingly written, no you just need to have an email address to register an account, and when you register you get a verification email at that address and click on the link in the email to verify. Like almost any other social media.
The worse discord becomes, the easier it will be to convince people to switch to matrix :)
Does Matrix have screen sharing where multiple participants can screen share simultaneously yet? Because that’s the feature all of my friends use.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Discord, but if no one brings up screen sharing when Matrix is mentioned as an alternative then it’ll never be implemented.
This is the public test version of the new call system that you can try without an account https://call.element.io/
Its pretty new and still evolving, but this is basically just embedded in Element if you start a call in the client. From my test just now it doesnt look like you can have two people screensharing at once :( The screensharing itself works fine tho, it looks like a new share by a different person will just overwrite the previously started one.
That’s a somewhat weird, to me, use case. Even in a business setting, we share our screens with colleagues via meet or slack only one or two at a time. How does this work on Discord and why would a party of people do it?
Isn’t it a shame that it takes discord to get worse and not matrix to get better?
That’s just natural. Discord has a huge weight of numbers. People stay where they already are, unless there is significant motivation to move.
Matrix would have to be MUCH better than Discord in terms of features to attract people to move their whole communities and friend groups, not just simply on-par. And that’s pretty tough.
So yes - we’re basically waiting for Discord to continue its slow march into enshittification.
Yeah all of my friends are on discord, many of them its my only way to communicate with them even though we met irl. I kinda have to use it
Matrix is getting better constantly tho. I havent had any issues introducing non techie people to it.
it is getting better at least
Any service whose main strength is “OSS, privacy, freedom, security” will usually never hit mainstream success. I say this as a FOSS enthusiast.
Is there a fool-proof beginner’s guide for Matrix? I started reading the documentation the other day and got a bit overwhelmed. Never did end up figuring out how to use it.
You probably already know that its federated, so first step would be picking a server. I would pick one that is on your continent from this list. https://servers.joinmatrix.org/
I would not recommend using the
matrix.orgserver but im too lazy right now to explain why. (basically the same as the arguments against pushing users to lemmy.world)I would also not use a web based client long term. In the next step you will need to for registration, which is kind of stupid, but you can just log out of the web client after the registration is done.
===========================================
Im just gonna randomly pick the server https://gemeinsam.jetzt/ (Austria) from the earlier list. From the list it links you to https://element.gemeinsam.jetzt/ for registration. If you click on “Create Account” it will give you this prompt:
After you fill everything out (+ email confirmation) you will be logged in. Now you have an account that you can use to log into a proper client with an address that look like this
@username:gemeinsam.jetztYou can now log out of the web client as you dont need it anymore. (It might warn you that you are logging out of your last device/session but thats ok).
===========================================
Now you can pick a client (there are many but these are the most up to date ones).
For desktop use: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/
For mobile use the newer: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element-x/
So now you have an account on a server of your choosing and a client which means you just give the client your full address like
@username:gemeinsam.jetztto log in and the client will automatically figure out what server your account is on. Put in your password and you are logged in.Every time you log into a new client, it creates a new session/device that will have its own independent set of message encryption keys unless verified by another existing device/session. That means to keep your keys synchronized (and messages readable) the client will always request you to verify new devices (other than the first one) upon login.
As you logged out of the only remaining session/device earlier, this newly created one should again be the first and only one of the account. You can verify this in the client settings by looking at the “Sessions” section.
Thats basically it for the initial setup. See following section for why you should have either multiple devices/sessions or set up a recovery key.
===========================================
Your messages are stored in your account data on your server, but they are encrypted, so if you lose access to all your devices, then all those messages are gone. To prevent that you can create a “recovery key” which is just a long password that is used to encrypt your encryption keys so they too can be stored safely on your server. This allows you to restore your messages even if all devices are lost by entering the recovery key after logging in from a new device.
If you want to use multiple devices just log in on that device and follow the prompt to “verify this session from another device”. (works by QR code or comparing some emojis) By verifying a session, you synchronize all your message encryption keys to that device/session. The easiest way to verify new devices is like this, by using an existing device.
Let me know if you get stuck anywhere and i will try to help you out :)
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Forgotten in an instant.
(But more seriously, thank you for the info. This looks involved, so I may attempt it this weekend. Discord declined so rapidly I had to stop using it before finding an alternative.)
I just did this to test out the process for a client who has to replace skype in their workplace, and it wasn’t bad.
I looked up servers on the web, picked the privacy DIY server, installed Element app, registered in the app using a “token” from the server website, confirmed via email - web link, and done, about 15 minutes plus figuring out the token part (had to reread instructions).
Does this mean we need to be hosting an email server too? I should just go look at the docs lol, this news might push me over the edge.
Ah I guess that was confusingly written, no you just need to have an email address to register an account, and when you register you get a verification email at that address and click on the link in the email to verify. Like almost any other social media.
I meant if I self hosted
You mean switch to Jabber, right?