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    now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn’t need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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      As shoukd Australia alas, our voters are too stupid to vite for the Green polticans who have this as their poliicy platform…

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      but that would be communism. which would mean you need ‘anti communists’ like musk to fight it. sorry. had almost this exact same discussion in california fifteen years ago. you need some extra extra justification to back it, which means you’re going to need really good messaging. kinda hoping you can skip the bullshit we went through on this that gave the nazis time to fuck everything up.

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    I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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      That would work for much of the population that lives within 100 miles of the US border, but there is a lot of rural and green space in Canada, and bikes aren’t great in Canadian winters. Canada needs good car options too.

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        Oh, I agree that mass transit wouldn’t really work in areas that aren’t as dense, but we should definitely have those where possible. I didn’t mean to say we don’t need good car options, but we should also have more options besides just cars

        Now regarding bikes and winter, I’d say that’s more of an infrastructure problem. Finland also has terrible winter, yet they can bike as usual. You should watch this video if you are interested in this theme: “Why Canadians Can’t Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)”

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          I understand that infrastructure is more important to be able to cycle in the winter, even eclipsing temperature in very cold areas. I live in an area where there is no bicycle infrastructure, I’m actually 100x safer riding my motorcycle well below freezing on the road, than riding my bicycle on a beautiful fall day. And I do, I have gear for it .There are cities though, where temperatures don’t regularly get super cold and people don’t actually have the clothing and gear to cycle in the winter. I would guess in those areas, temperature is more of a factor. In areas where winters are consistently very cold, people already have what they need and are able to cycle if the infrastructure is there.

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        In cities at least, bikes are just as good as cars in winter. Your city just needs to put as much effort in to building and clearing bike lanes as it does car lanes. Places that give a shit actually plow and salt their bike paths and bike lanes.

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          In cities at least, bikes are just as good as cars in winte

          Your bike has a heater built-in and a way to block out the cold wind and/or rain?

          That’s usually what people mean when they mention vehicles in the winter, not just the road being cleared

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              Having ridden bikes in snow (and would be willing to again): yeah, no, they’re a very different experience and to pretend otherwise is to engage in a shocking level of willful ignorance

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      Walkable cities. Biking infrastructure. Reliable public transit.

      Regularless of of what’d going on in the world right now, these would make our cities far better.

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      Our newly-elected Premier has unfortunately doubled down on giving cars priority with the mandated removal of bike lanes and building new highways (413), even though their own data says that Toronto with be just as congested a few years after building them.

      Oh I forgot to mention the tunnel under the 401, which is a massive boondoggle waiting to happen

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        we have the reverse problem in west of us, removed some car lanes for bike lines causing huge congestion that the bicyclist barely use anyways.

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    We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec’s battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.

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      101% this. Driving my mates and I yesterday on a completely packed 4 lane highway. 90% of cars were a single driver, no pasangers.

      Even if we exclude tradie vans and utes who ill assume are at least transporting tools and gear, if every one of those vehicles carried 1 other person or chose to bike instead ( Christchurch, New Zealeand, we have good biking infrastructure also a bike path that follows the length of the highway) or even take the bus (public transport is pretty good) we would see an instant 50% reduction in traffic over night.

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        Did traffic get worse in nz in the past few years? When i was there there was absolutely no traffic but to be fair i mainly went to the rural parts so maybe i just missed it. Even so the larger cities could be connected by public transit, especially when theres a 10 hour drive from one city to another one, a train there would be much more comfortable. Its basically a straight line as well so the train could go pretty fast withoutnany big sacrifices. Idk tho i only spent 3 weeks there, not an expert by any means.

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          Traffic can be absolutely awful in NZ. Largely because there are a lot of natural choke points which don’t allow for wide roadways, and the investment in large road infrastructure has not kept up with the need. Auckland traffic is abysmal, as it is essentially one large north-south column with a few trunks.

          Christchurch isn’t bad, but the highways through the city have a lot of lights and with the traffic load it can take a long time to get places. It’s a lot like Winnipeg, it doesn’t have freeways to get you around quick without stopping constantly.

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        Lol i take the train and it takes half the time as the car. I also have a smaller chance of dying in a car accident and i can watch youtube without hitting a pedestrian. Dont get me wrong, im a car guy but i respect the safety of other people and the environment so i enjoy them in a responsible way.

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    The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

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    Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

    Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

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    I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

    If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn’t loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

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    That feels like “robbing Peter to pay Paul”. We don’t want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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    Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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    Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

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        The US doesn’t throw your sorry ass in prison for calling the leader a bad name. Pull your gigantic head out from within your deep cavity.

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          To be fair; not yet.

          As much as I agree that Winnie pooh is evil, and that we should never want to rely on any Chinese infrastructure or product,the US is currently speed running off a cliff towards something possibly worse than China.

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            china is in a slow collapse, relatively speaking, they are at least aware of thier population issue currently, but not do much about it.

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              Oh it is. China too is on its way out and I don’t think they have much options to stop it. The US could be awesome but people for some reason keep praying to CEO’s

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          That is coming down the pipeline. The seditionist in chief already talked about ‘illegal’ protests and consequences. Now that statement was meant to put fear into people like myself who have been protesting a lot this year and give police a reason to instigate violence and arrests for peaceful protests. The first amendment covers the right to peaceful assembly. The law is quickly losing any relevancy or providing any protection for average citizens.

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          look up some of what the fbi did, and probably the entire history of the cia… and it currently seems its about to get a bit worse…

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        Oh no, I mentioned China, so .ml weirdos come knocking

        Who said it was worse? Why did you imply that?

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          Why do people keep assuming it’s a binary choice?

          That’s not what person you replied to said. Both “phone home and can be turned off remotely”, there is no choice.

          If your problem is “phones home and can be turned off remotely”, then maybe you should solve this instead of basing policy on country of origin? When you praise that instead of chinese CCP you are being spied on by your american Cuckold Capitalist Party, remember who controls your local police.

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            Again, “Both”…

            You know there are more means of transport than “Tesla” and “Chinese electric cars”? Holy fuck

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              You know there are more means of transport than “Tesla” and “Chinese electric cars”? Holy fuck

              You suggest to ban cars, so everyone will use public transport, bikes and legs? Good idea!

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    The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There’s still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

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      Chinese EVs are already being sold worldwide. We can either choose to “stand with” western auto manufacturers, or let free market do its thing. In this scenario it only makes sense to play both sides and offer people some economic relief.

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    China isn’t our friend. The whole ‘make it more financially appealing for the world to not war’ is not working. China isn’t influencing the world to be decent and at peace. They’re Putin’s allies and therefore our enemies.

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      China can buy our housing to rent it back to us, but we can’t buy their EV because other companies won’t make as much profit. Great trickle down.

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      Yeah China feeling more emboldened to invade Taiwan and talking about wanting to send in troops to gain experience in Ukraine shows they are looking to fill in the power vacuum left by the US and become US 2.0.

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          No, absolutely not like Russia 2.0 The Chinese are taking a completely different approach to the Russians. The fact that people still think the Chinese are stupid is unbelievable…

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              Without China, Russia would no longer be able to act. The economy etc. would have collapsed completely long ago without China. China therefore has control over Russia and not vice versa. (Even North Korea now has more to say than Putin…) So China is tackling the global battle via cyberwar and economic warfare. It is also a way to overthrow other countries without war and the West is dependent on China. China is not sending its country back a century, but into the future. They are not rushing into a senseless and stupid war, but are waiting until the stupid Russians burn through the capacities worldwide with the Ukraine war. They are also waiting until America splinters completely and possibly takes Europe with it. It is absolutely not comparable with the brainless MeatGrindr bullshit from the Russians.

              I’m not saying that China won’t start a war, but they won’t do it as stupidly as the Russians. China is thinking several years ahead. Just future-oriented.

              So apart from nuclear weapons, China is much more dangerous for the West

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                If that’s the case then why are we still trading with China? Why isn’t tiktok banned? Russia is being openly punished and rejected but China, apparently so close with them, are not?

                I understood that capitalism, despite it’s flaws is the way the world has decided to prevent wars. If countries are so intertwined financially it can’t be of benefit to either party to war. If China values our business they won’t fuck with us. If Chinese companies and parties own interests in our country they won’t destroy it or even act against us, as aside from anything else we can sanction them by taking this property without any renumeration.

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                  Because we have democratic laws and, as I said, China is not stupid but acts within the law (apart from cyberwarfare). The results of all this can now be seen with Trump, who is completely destroying democratic values. It is also enough to look at the technological difference between China and Russia. China also produces all the measurement while our measurement is also produced there. Underestimating the Chinese or comparing them with Russia is simply unrealistic.

                  Let’s wait and see the results of Trump policies. In the end, the citizen has the last word when he starts the civil war.

                  Btw. The tiktok ban showed how loyal the American population is to the Chinese government.

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          The old American playbook was to ally with some local elites and then use media, secret service and economic support to bring them into power. Military force and hardcore sanctions were a tool used, if that did not work.

          Russia prefers to use military force to force other countries into doing what they want.

          China seems to work mainly with economic pressure, corruption and secret servcie work to set up favroable local elites. Their media game is not as good as the US, but TikTok is a clear sign that they are working on it. So far hard force is pretty rarer.

          To me China looks a lot more like the old US playbook. They know the Russian one is not as good, as they saw European Empires collapse by using it.

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            Russia does not prefer military force. They do just as much meddling as the USA does and one might even say they do it better.