cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26244492

The answer to “what is Firefox?” on Mozilla’s FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, “is Firefox free?” Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people’s data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

  • Zero22xx@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 hours ago

    Mozilla have been slowly but steadily turning to shit for years now. Long ago already, they became the kind of company that lays off workers in order to pay the CEO an unreasonable amount.

    I think that the moment people should’ve seen as a turning point where Mozilla stopped giving a shit about the users was when they did all of those unpopular UI changes a while back (like removing compact mode). They used telemetry to justify these changes, while I’m sure they must’ve been aware that their “privacy focused browser” schtick probably attracts a lot of people who switch telemetry off. And even if they were that stupid, the over all reaction online to the changes should’ve been enough of a clue for them. But they still did it anyway.

    UI changes might be small in the greater scheme of things but the UI is also what 90% of users base their experience on. So it just means that they do not give a flying fuck about the user base. And they’re going to be slowly but surely enshitifying the browser whether anyone likes it or not.

  • lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com
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    3 hours ago

    I hope, in the end, Firefox and Thunderbird survive…

    If Firefox is gone, the clones/forks will probably die as well. And the complexity of a web browser makes it hard to just give the project to some new people…

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    15 hours ago

    This is why it’s hard getting people to like you, Firefox. Please don’t give more reasons for them to stay on Chrome.

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    15 hours ago

    It’s not hard to define “sell,” Varma, and I’m sure you don’t want to do it, because the definitions aren’t flattering. Here’s the Miriam Webster definition:

    1: to deliver or give up in violation of duty, trust, or loyalty and especially for personal gain : betray —often used with out

    sell out their country

    2a(1): to give up (property) to another for something of value (such as money)

    2a(2): to offer for sale

    2b: to give up in return for something else especially foolishly or dishonorably

    sold his birthright for a mess of pottage

    2c: to exact a price for

    sold their lives dearly

    3a: to deliver into slavery for money

    3b: to give into the power of another

    sold his soul to the devil

    3c: to deliver the personal services of for money

    4: to dispose of or manage for profit instead of in accordance with conscience, justice, or duty

    sold their votes