• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    12·
    6 days ago

    If we want to rename things (Mexico was a LOT larger in the olden times) why don’t we call it “Gulf of the Americas?”

    Oh because it doesn’t support imperial single minded nationalism and isn’t USA centered

    • double_quack@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      12 hours ago

      America is a continent, not a country. “Americas” is as correct as “Europes”. But certainly those who decided to call it gulf of america are not aware of that.

  • zanyllama52@infosec.pubEnglish
    5·
    6 days ago

    Where and when was this decided by the Indigenous people of North America?

    I’m interested to learn more about this. I’ve never heard this name when I studied the history of North America,

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
    2·
    6 days ago

    No because it’s not a homogeneous people so it would have many different names/this wouldn’t be coordinated across NA

      • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        7 days ago

        The assholes are trying to retake Denali from the indigenous people after we finally gave it back.

          • anomnom@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            7 days ago

            Yeah, it was named Mount McKinley during that presidents candidacy, even though he never saw the mountain.

            Then the during President Obama’s second term, they renamed it to the most popular/common name the indigenous peoples used, Denali

            Now it’s already back to Mt. McKinkey, because Trump has a hard-on for both robber barons like McKinley, and undoing Obama’s work.

  • qyron@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    32·
    8 days ago

    Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I’m on board with that.

    • Salamander@mander.xyzMEnglish
      30·
      7 days ago

      EDIT: As indepndnt mentioned in a comment below, the OP was posted on February 14, which pre-dates the wikipedia edits. So, my conclusions below about the timeline are not valid.

      Hah, sure, let’s investigate 🕵️‍♂️

      The term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user ‘Mxn’.

      The description of the edit is the following:

      Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic

      If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in the spanish Wikipedia: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl

      This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in September 16, 2018. I don’t have access to the citation so I don’t know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.

      If you check the history you will find that the same ‘Mxn’ fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.

      So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico, and finding this connection between the term an the gulf by searching on Wikipedia. This information did not come from recent news about the term being used by natives.

      I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ more frequently or at all. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.

      I find it highly unlikely that:

      • User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago

      AND

      • This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media

      More likely…

      • Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
      • Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme

      And this concludes my little investigation 🧐

  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2·
    8 days ago

    Not for the same reasons, but “also no, sorry. Still going with Gulf of Mexico.”

    I can meet you halfway and pronounce Mexico correctly, but that is beyond my abilities and I’m not ashamed to admit it lol.