Why why why don’t they just do like Wikipedia or the Internet Archive does and just come out and ask for donations instead of trying to sneak all this advertising shit into things?
EDIT: Another idea, which I’m sure they’ll never consider, is to host actual @thunderbird.net email addresses which could be paid for. People at this very minute are looking for Proton Mail replacements, and this could be one of them . . .
I personally wouldn’t trust them with an email service myself. They have been known to accept sponsorships through Google and as of late seems to be heading more and more in the direction of more tracking services in favor of a monetary profit. I don’t trust their email service would be any different
Vivaldi use default Bookmarks and search engines (Startpage, DDG, Ecosia, Qwant and some others), which pay an revenue if the user optional use these (anonym), apart accept donations and there is also an Merch Store. So it avoid third party investors, ads and tracking and so it stay independent, no needs to share user data with third parties. You can delete all these bookmarks and Search engines if you don’t use these, using others to your like (easy to add with the context menu). All this permits to support the additional services which has the user with his account, own Webmail (5GB), Blog page, Calendar, Feed, mail client, sync ee2e of all browser data, settings, bookmarks, extensions…, apart permit to participate in the Vivaldi instance in Mastodon.
They’ve released an update, and I’m just generally confused: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/firefox-terms-of-use/
I fully believe that they didn’t intend for it to sound so… all encompassing, but this update makes me even more confused. What data is “uploaded” to firefox? I just thought Firefox was the browser, not some website. Do they mean the services Mozilla offers?
This doesn’t make any sense to me either. Why do they need a license for what you type into Firefox if that data never gets shared with Mozilla?
I don’t know a single application that you need to give a license to so they can handle your data locally.
Exactly.
Or why do they have a world wide right for anything entered into Firefox.
This seems like a great time to install LibreWolf.
Yes, but even more important to avoid sync with an Mozilla account, if you need the sync function (maybe Filen?) (Vivaldi has an own sync EE2E)
AFAIK the sync is end to end encrypted
Yes, Mozilla sync is encrypted, but your account data is sended to Alphabet (Google) and tracked by googleanalytics and google-tagmanager.
I just switched to Bitwarden for passwords
That’s the best free option, and possibly best option overall. I’ve been with them for about five years now and it’s been great.
Firefox sync is E2EE too (or at least can be, mine is)
i think you can have it sync to a self hosted server, also an option.
You can, but the last time I did that the instructions were incomplete, and you still had to auth through Mozilla. That was a few years ago, so things might have changed since then.
I wonder how they can expect to get more users like that. Their user are privacy conscious, this is the move to lose them. I am thinking about using tor browser on android. I don’t see any other alternative.
Check out Fenec
i dont know on how many of my accounts back then on reddit were banned for pointing out the moz board is just trash. more than 10 i am sure. again and again people dont want to hear they are wrong. still cant tell people THEY are the problem when using apple or google accounts, but those digital imbeciles tell me about the dangers of deepseek.thankfully in a globalised world natural selection is back on the map and not adapting to modern society puts you in place. so everyone can stick to their wrong beliefs and not vax, have accounts with google or even vote trump…be as dumb as you want…keep telling yourself mozilla is “the good guys”… iphones are secure and manufactured without slave labour.
It’s frustrating that the last bastion of hope against total Google dominance of the browser market has no sense of direction at all and is constantly tripping over rakes.
Personally, i still belive in not giving Google market dominance but that’s mainly because I want the web to thrive, and competition breeds innovation.
With that said, these ToS are making me leave FF, although I am going to Librefox and Fenec now
I know, I have stopped using Google many years ago, when it forgot his “Don’t Be Evil.” Since then I have used a huge amount of different browsers in Windows and Linux, to stay 9 years ago with Vivaldi, why, apart was the one that offered the most, I was also impressed by the ethics and respect for the user, which is a European cooperative, owned by its employees, actively fighting for a freer and more private Internet, not dominated by large corporations, against the practices of Surveillance Advertising (initiative where organizations of consumers and companies such as DDG and others participated and where Mozilla shine for his absence). But yes, as you say, it’s hard to change believes, even if you prove that they are wrong.
US companies are not longer trustworth
Capital is the problem, not nationality.
Yes, but also non existent US privacy policy. There the users are simply raw material for the benefit of large corporations and user rights an incomprehensible communist phrase, to make America great again. The EU at least put limits to these abuses.
because US capital decided so. notice that the limits the EU has are slowly being undermined.
That website actually promotes Firefox, you know. Not sure it fits this thread.
Also from the “European” recommendations, Vivaldi is Chromium, and Mullvad is Tor, which is Firefox.
I’m really glad this exists! Thanks for sharing it!
anyone up to date on how servo has been doing?
https://gitlab.com/ironfox-oss/IronFox
i can suggest ironfox, the fork of mull for android
What’s the best alternative? This doesn’t sound great…
And Firefox is no longer my browser. Tada.
do you mean you use a more privacy oriented fork like Librewolf, or instead some chrome/chromium derivative or fork?
So what’s the next best thing to use, preferably one that supports uBlock?
Librewolf it comes with uBlock installed.
There is only firefox, chrome, or safari to chose from. I just use a firefox fork.
If you’re sticking to Firefox-based browsers, Waterfox seems to be the fork closest to Firefox without being controlled by Mozilla.
I use Vivaldi (EU), it has an inbuild adblocker. In chromium browsers Mv3 means that Mv2 Extensions are eliminated from the Chrome Store in June this Year. Mv3 adblockers are still there, there is uBO light (same as uBO, but without element picker) and Adblock Plus, which is pretty equivalent to uBO. The inbuild ad/trackerblocker (customizable with own filterlists or those from uBO, DDG, AdBlock plus and others) in Vivaldi isn’t affected by Mv3 and pretty effective (>99% in the test). In extensions other than those related to security and privacy, it’s irrelevant for the user if they are Mv2 or Mv3 and mostly redundant in Vivaldi.
If you prefer Gecko browsers, the only one from the EU is the Mullvad Browser (Sweden), which can still use uBO, but also Gecko Browser will not support Mv2 all eternity because the related different cookie management used by most webpages with Google APIs, also apart from the will of the devs to continue developing MV2 for a minority engine, such as Gecko (~ 4% Market Share).
