For anyone who really likes driving:
More public transport = less people driving = less traffic = win-win situation for everyone
I watched a few episodes of that recent show “Paradise,” and as soon as I saw that they chose to make their giant bunker inside a mountain a fucking suburb with cars as the main form of transportation, I was like “fuck this…”
Then I remembered what time line we were on, and of course that’s exactly something that the US government would do.
Could fit several times more people by building vertically, but instead fill it up with one-family homes with a quarter-acre backyard and swimming pool. Sounds about right.
I still want self driving cars
Safe and reliable self driving cars, affordable and accessible high speed public transit, a smart grid that can handle a nationwide shift to renewables… I want so many things. But my expectations have never been lower for what we’ll actually get.
During rush hour my city’s transit comes every 15 minutes, 7.5 minutes on the shared line. I only used it for commuting. On the weekend I saw the train leaving and didn’t worry but had to wait a while 30 minutes. Which sucked.
A train/bus every 30 minutes is fine for work - most people can plan their work day around that, so long as the schedule is reasonably consistent. However when going doing anything else there is too much risk that you will have to wait 29 minutes when you finish whatever it was you came to do and that is not acceptable to most people.
you see, if the City does that then it’s the city’s responsibility to maintain, both the infrastructure for transportation and the transportation itself. With cars, they only do infrastructure
in my country during the day, you dont need to check schedules.
but then public transit is slow, uncomfortable and expensive.
they just made it frequent and to cover a big area because most of us cant afford cars but they still need us to get to work.
Agreed, traffic suck whether it jam or not
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Woooo yeahhhh!
I want something that takes me straight to my destination so my hurting ass self doesn’t have to walk far. Driven by me so I won’t get motion sickness. With a trunk so I can put a bunch of crap in there and not have to carry it all the way back while walking and riding a goddamn train.
Oh, right, I want cars. Anything else is short-sighted and ableist. I’m sure you’re going to hate me and mod me down and silence me and all sorts of crap for this viewpoint, but holy fuck, how do you not understand that this is a perfectly valid view? If you’re special and can walk and carry tons of shit, good on you, I’m so proud of you. Many are not. And when you destroy the ability to drive and park somewhere in your urban “utopias” because they cater to your special ass, it screws US over.
Spoken like a true ableist. Fuck the blind, fuck the old, fuck kids. You want cars!
You can have one lane roads and a paid underground Mr fuck everyone that can drive. Cars take too much space and kill too many people.
Go visit a developed city, like Munich, see how even 70+ old can live perfectly well without using a car. They got carts to carry shit and good sidewalks.
They take up space because HUMANS TAKE UP SPACE. You tend to think of cars as automatons. This is your fucking fascist bent, right here. You dehumanize cars as something horrible and anti-human when it’s human beings who drive them and benefit from them. Gives them FREEDOM. ACCESS. RIGHTS.
Just because you look at a small section of healthy 70+ year olds doesn’t invalidate my point. “Look at these happy brown hair blue eyed white people, they’re not being oppressed in Nazi Germany! What are you complaining about?”
Fascists.
I can’t “dehumanize cars”, cars are not humans, they are machines. Like airplanes, phones and tables, those are all machines, equipment to be used.
Cars take space, and the required infrastructure takes even more space. From roads, to parking space. Why should a road lane that can serve 20 drivers get priority over a side walk that can serve 200 people ? Why should everyone breath tire and break particular cus you wanna drive! Drive! Drive!?
Contrary to your jump to Nazi Germany, you were not eliminated. As I said, you get a road with one lane, with paid underground parking. Mobility is a right, 5 lane roads and football sized parking lots are not.
Also, cars don’t give you FrEeDoM, it makes you dependent on limited resources. Oil drilling or limited metals and minerals for EVs. We can’t build cars for everyone, there are not enough resources on earth for that. We can build high quality public transport for everyone and have enough resources left for the minority of cases where public transportation doesn’t work (you ain’t taking the bus to the hospital in an emergency).
You’re right, not building society around your preferences and convenience is literal fascism and anybody who care about safety or the environment is just fundamentally evil. The cruelty is the point.
It is literal fascism. When you are intolerant towards a group of people, what else is that? Get in line with your fascist friends in the White House and oppress us all, or start realizing how fucking horrible you are and fix your attitude.
You sound like a Republican caricature of a progressive right now. Fascism is when other people don’t give me exactly what I want.
Developed high speed rail since 2008 in China vs the US:
The silver lining of autocracy.
Why would a democratically elected leader plan for the long term if their sucessors, possibly from an opposition party, can claim credit for it.
In a dictatorship, they can plan for the long term, since they know they will be in power.
Also, the hyper-individualism in western countries doesn’t make “working together” as a country easier. Just look at the anti-maskers and anti-vax people lol
And also, the big population in China would never allow for a “car culture” in the firsr place, since there just isn’t room for that many cars, public transit is a must for a densely populated country.
And also, the big population in China would never allow for a “car culture” in the firsr place, since there just isn’t room for that many cars, public transit is a must for a densely populated country.
I’ve been to China as part of a company visit. They took us everywhere by car. Even what I would consider walking distance.
I did not see mass transit once.
That’s because you were visiting. When I was in China (as a citizen), I always had to take public transit if I want to go anywhere. My mom had to take public transit to work. Parking costs wete high, because there’s no street parking like in the US. (This was in Guangzhou btw) Now in the US, they just drive, because free street-parking is everywhere.
As a visitor, you’d of couse visit places by car.
part of a company visit.
Well that’s why… they don’t want ya’ll getting lost and your group split up.
I did not see mass transit once.
Lol where did you go? Some rural area?
Shenzen.
Okay, so I’ve never been to Shenzhen (or at least I don’t remember ever going there), but I just looked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen_Metro
If you went there like… before 2010 or something, pehaps you wouldn’t see much of that, because they were kinda still building it.
The subways are all underground, so you probably didn’t notice them unless you went looking for them, it’s not like the US where some parts of the subway are above-ground, and others are underground. I have no idea how you didn’t see any of the busses tho… perhaps you didn’t pay attention to your surroundings… 😅
TLDR: Public transit exists, you either went there like a long time ago before they got built, or just didn’t pay enough attention.
Yeah, I don’t doubt it exists and probably is well used by the people living there. Just wanted to address the part of the comment saying “China would never allow for a “car culture” in the firsr place” because there sure was a car culture. It felt like an American city.
I’m also aware that Shenzen is different from the rest of China, and, well, that the rest of China is different from the other rest of China.
“China has good railways because China bad” is one hell of a bad take.
China isn’t an autocracy any more than the US is, getting to vote which party gets to erode your rights and enact genocide on your behalf isn’t democracy
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A democracy would be voting for a party promising not to erode your rights and getting your rights not eroded. That’s not what you get in the ol’ US of A, anywhere in the west for that master
Yeah that’s what happens when all your manufacturing is outsourced there. China is insanely insanely rich now
USA is very wealthy. It’s always a choice what to invest in.
One of the most annoying things is cities that were designed pre-car being retrofitted for car, and then people acting like that’s the city’s fault for not making the city better for car, rather than the city’s fault for not assessing their situation and emphasizing other methods of getting from place to place
One more lane! /S
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Please Colorado ffs connect our major cities.
If Colorado expands public transit, it would be too OP. /j
Maybe if they did then they’d actually remember there is more to Colorado than just Denver area, sincerely, someone who lives an hour and half south of Pueblo.
I’d like for where I lived in Denver to be simply walkable. Or safely bikable. I was living in a pretty urban area in SW Denver proper and my car was lost to a collision, so I started walking everywhere. Great area for that, theoretically - I was surrounded by Asian and Central American markets, convenience stores, liquor stores, dispensaries, local restaurants, all within about a mile. However, the major roads nearby were stroads. Crossing at crosswalks was much more dangerous than just wiring for cars to disperse and running across in the middle of the block.
Worse though, I was near a kinda fun hipster shopping and bar area, but there was this horrific freeway/highway/stroad exchange where you had to go across something like 6 roads and exit ramps. It was the most pedestrian unfriendly thing I’d ever seen, and coincidentally it divided a more affluent white section of town from the Hispanic area.
I think Denver is the least walkable city I’ve ever been in. Was there a few years back and was floored by how hard it was to get anywhere as a tourist without a ride share
Really depends on the part of town. It definitely wasn’t built with pedestrian or bicycle access in mind when Denver expanded in the 60s-80s, but no city in the US was back then, really. If you’re in a dense area like Cap Hill, it’s great. Overall Denver is set up the same as most western cities, like LA, Phoenix, Albuquerque, but for the most part is better than those. If you want something really horrible try suburbs of Houston where they don’t even have sidewalks.
Cool I can ride a bike to buy fudge. Now get to Mackinac without a car. Whomp whomp.
I’m interested in how you might get there with a car.
Drive car from your shitbox house. Park car take ferry, (that’s a boat) ta-da.
That sounds like getting there with a boat.
