• SleafordMod@feddit.uk
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    7 days ago

    I wonder what the world would be like if Europe (including non-EU countries like the UK, Norway, Switzerland, Serbia, Ukraine, etc) was all working together for its own defence and interests

    Maybe European countries should stop nitpicking over issues like whether to use the Euro, and focus on important issues like defence first

  • albert180@discuss.tchncs.de
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    We should call it the Putin Plan over Ukraine. If Trump hates one thing, it’s questioning his great ability to make “deals”

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    Europe needs to tell the US to f-off and call the bluff, just invite themselves with Ukraine under their wing to their own peace-talk, and let Putin know the time and place… if Putin or his negotiators won’t show up (which is likely), then Russia obviously isn’t serious about peace so start ramping up the equipment and troop shipments to protect the front lines.

    Ukraine should 110% reject ANY proposal to give the US or another foreign power ‘carte blanche’ deals for some slice of its resources in exchange for assistance; Europe needs to defend them for their own sake.

    • jenesaisquoi@feddit.org
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      7 days ago

      Unfortunately this would only allow putler to play the US against Europe even more than he already is. Just imagine it, him telling the US and Europe different things, and then the West starting to fight amongst themselves because they no longer know who is telling the truth.

  • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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    I genuinely hope something will come out of this, but knowing the slowness and reactive approach of European institutions I don’t have any hope.

    Rather than talk, it would make much more sense to hold a formal conference after achieving results in agreed upon behind the scenes negotiations. Something along the lines of:

    • Full blockage of occupied Königsberg. Banning of all russian traffic in the Baltic sea.
    • Immediate sanctions of EU company executives servicing the russian market in any capacity (they know the shipments to Kyrgyzstan aren’t actually going to Kyrgyzstan, they are not stupid).
    • Targetted massive ballistic strike (50+) on russia military and C2 installation in cooperation with Ukraine to give cover (perhaps even Lubyanka if it makes sense). Just lie and say it’s recently developed Ukrainian ballistics.
    • By this point it would make sense to at least send covert military personal into Europe, make it limited to AA coverage in Western/Central Ukraine if needed.

    I recognize that this may sound unrealistic, but most (all?) geopolticial achievements/breakthroughs/realignments were done with courage and a desire to win. Not “bla bla” or “but what about this or that”.

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      Kaliningrad belongs to Russia. We respect international borders. By suggesting anything is up for the taking if you just have the military to do it you support putlers worldview. Please don’t do that.

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      occupied Königsberg.

      Next you want everything west of Gdańsk to be Germany again?

      Then you surely also want to support a Polish invasion of what today is western Ukraine, since it is occupied Poland in your eyes?

      What a load of bullshit.

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      Königsberg

      The Oder-Neiße line is absolute. Please don’t call that place by its anachronistic historic German name.

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        Yeah, i am getting mayor Reich revisionst vibes too. Calling Kaliningrad “occupied” means to also consider western Poland to be occupied Germany and western Ukraine to be occupied Poland.

        This kind of revisionist talk is not helping central Europe, quite the contrary.