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God I’m so tired of this shit. I swear the intent is to downplay the danger that many of America’s marginalized communities are in. That way trans people don’t have anywhere to run. People with disabilities have no where to run. POC have no where to run. Most, if not all, of y’all have laws specifically forbidding refugees from the US. This is because the US has traditionally been considered a safe harbor for refugees. However, the US government is now sending immigrants to Guantanamo and threatening to do the same with trans people, people with disabilities, and so on.
We need your help. Not by stepping in and correcting course, but by giving us safe refuge. Most of us are already in very serious danger and sweating bullets while we watch the gun slowly move to point at us, but we have nowhere to run because no one accepts US refugees.
I’m trans. I’m living in Texas. I voted for Harris. I’m watching the gun as it attempts to murder my friends (I have some birthright citizenship friends) as it slowly drifts ever closer. We need your help, because right now I’m expecting that our expiration dates are less than a year away. They gotta find something to do with us once they start running out of space in Guantanamo c::
Why are you looking at other countries when literally any state would be better than the shithole you’re in? And even there I think you’ll be perfectly fine in major cities.
But you’re welcome to California. Not prefect, but not fucking Texas.
Yeah, uh, that hasn’t stopped them from going after people in blue states.
Edit: that’s a valid question, though. However, I’m concerned that it won’t be enough.
In Canada, we need to start prioritising accepting more trans people, POC, and other marginalized communities fleeing persecution. It is absolutely dehumanising and disgusting how the USA is treating trans people right now. Trans rights are human rights.
We also urgently need to deny Pierre Poilievre the election, since he is openly hostile to and scapegoating trans people and other minorities, while cozying up to white supremacists.
I’m trans and not out IRL besides people in my direct family and I’m fucking terrified. The idea of living like this for years makes me feel hopeless and seeing messaging like this makes me feel even more like no one cares. Its so isolating. I don’t think I can just not transition at this point, my own skin is repulsive but on the other hand at least I am alive.
Fuck me for wanting in on a discussion about how my own country is going to shit, right? I guess I’ll go jump off a bridge or something
Nah man, us Europeans are fucked as well. Fascists are gaining more and more traction here. We need interaction with you. We have to solve this shit together.
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Nah, I appreciate the good Americans. Hopefully as many as possible can get out.
I’m in Alberta. The not-all-of-us thing is real.
Hey, me too.
I appreciate you all. I also appreciate hearing about the organizing and resistance efforts.
There have been effective protests that prevented hospitals from complying with doge. Make it hard to be a sellout Democrat or Danielle Smith supporter.
You do realize we’re going through a fascist coup right?
Yes. And historically, what is the right response to a country that is doing that?
Complaining to other countries? /s
Healthy dose of Bolshevism
Not really. The people voted for this.
No, land voted for this. And people manipulated by the technofascists and their propaganda machines, social media, voted for this.
We haven’t had a free and fair election since before 2000.
Weird that we have more solidarity with the EU than Mexico.
Shared language and cultural background goes far. But it’s definitely time we strengthen ties beyond that
Edit: why downvote for this? I suspect I misrepresented something
Re: downvotes
could be that only 44% of EU citizens understand English, and most don’t really share a cultural background with us
Yeah, that’s a pretty good point.
Guess it all comes down to racism then :/
Racism goes even further.
Yes, sadly.
We need all the help we can get. If some of the Americans are on my side, then I gladly accept their help. Hopefully they rise up before it’s too late.
I do see a lot of American replies saying “well I didn’t vote for this so it’s not my fault.”
Fault isn’t the issue for me. All Americans have a responsibility to course correct. The sooner it can be done in numbers the less risky it is for them to stand up and speak out.
I think the punchline of this meme is based in the reality I find myself in. The rest of the world is trying to figure out what life is going to be like when a former ally becomes ambivalent at best and an active adversary at worst. I really can’t be arsed to respond to every commenter who sucks the oxygen out of the room seeking absolution or exception to the anti-American sentiment.
Realistically, what do you expect at this point in time?
Trump’s in office since less than a month. There have already been larger protests. With 50501, there is a movement growing. Things will take time.
I’m in favor of showing more empathy to everyone who’s personally affected and didn’t vote for this, including people who got robbed of their opportunity to vote.
It’s unreasonable to ask already marginalized groups now “why aren’t you correcting this?”. There is no quick way to correct this. It will be a long and drawn-out process, and maybe will also require the insight of Americans that lying to masses is not voicing your opinion as free speech.
Protests barely have effect. What we need is more government workers growing spines.
We need every second amendment enthusiast to well regulate themselves into a militia and grow a fucking spine and fight this coup.
Or since the coup is marching in with laptops and USBs instead of tanks and guns, idk, fucking stop them?
They have a strong individualist consumer culture. If they can’t individually consume their way out of it, many of them think they’ve done everything they can.
Not their fault would get a silent thumbs-up from me. I’m not judging any individual American - the current vibe is angry, but I think most Canadians have known enough of them to know many are fine.
We have a gun behind every blade of grass but we’ve been taught whitewashed history for generations so no one realizes they can fight back in ways that don’t involve pointlessly marching around with signs and getting pepper sprayed, tear gassed, shot at with rubber bullets and arrested.
The real way to fight fascism historically is communism. You haven’t been taught whitewashed history, you’ve been radicalised against your own interests
You read my comment wildly wrong. Whitewashed history is all the peaceful nonviolent civil rights protests and leaders they lie about. For example, MLKs I have a dream but not MLKs letter from Birmingham jail.
I’m not radicalized against my own interests, I’m an ancom
It’s kinda a weird take? Like if I’m in a discussion about some scary things AfD are doing and a left-of-center German joins the conversation, I’d like to think I’d have the ability to…you know…hear what they have to say about things.
There are a bunch of Americans who asked for this; there are a bunch who stood by and did nothing to stop it; and there are a bunch who tried to stop it, did not, and are devastated.
I guess at the end of the day it’s just a meme.
Here’s my (admittedly hotheaded) Canadian perspective.
Germans, as a baseline, don’t dominate online culture. Everywhere I look on the internet, I’m reading about Americans. It never stops. I have to constantly filter through American politics, drama, and celebrity news. It feels like we are finally moving away from American-centricity and having discussions about how living at the whims of this superpower is negatively affecting us.
Americans butt in on this and give their takes on it and man… I just don’t care. Their country collectively chose this. My career and ability to provide for my family is seriously at risk because 90 MILLION of them couldn’t be bothered to vote.
For this one, single discussion, just this one time, please, butt out.
After years of being lumped in the same group with every momentarily [in]famous idiot from each of our countries, years of disregard of our regional differences and being plastered with stereotypes from obscure towns a whole country away, it’s time we get to stop caring. The United States of America is threatening us. Not one guy, not one party, not certain states. Why should we give a shit that you live in one state or another? As the saying goes, if you’re not part of the solution you’re part of the problem. I don’t see many solutions, just a whole lot of distancing yourself from those who represent you by whatever arbitrary distinction you can come up with. America is the problem. We don’t want to hear from you until you’ve solved it.
I totally understand this perspective and it’s true the American presence online is overwhelming, but I wonder how much the enemies of collective flourishing, the oligarchs, disaster capitalists, Putin, et al, are loving to see this divisiveness.
Not American, btw
As an American who lives in the EU I’d say I experience what you hypothetically describe a LOT more than what the comic does.
Like even to the point of it sometimes being a little annoying. People I barley know asking me my opinions on trump, why people can like him, what’s up with the whole egg price thing, etc
Most Europeans I know just want to understand wtf is going on and what things are actually like
I guess how many of the do nothing’s are now the ones saying I didn’t vote for this. Umm yes you did.
Oh absolutely; the folks who sat at home, are outraged that a fascist is in power, and are too dumb to understand how voting works to realize that they enabled it — they are infuriating.
I‘m german and I watch in real time how a fascist Gouvernement is taking over the US.
Sometimes I feel like I take crazy pills, when a friend of mine assures me that Donald Trump is just a business man who wants to help the country. Or when a good friend of mine who I considered sane and intelligent until this moment sends me a link to a J. D. Vance interview and tells me what a very smart guy this is.
It’s infuriating. And lonely. I think every American against this should be allowed to speak openly and participate. We have to work together, or we have lost already.
Suddenly feeling blessed with my (arguably not too many) friends here, also in Germany, who are all center to left. All of them despise AfD and Trump.
But at least people are revealing their true face. 🤷
But at least people are revealing their true face
Yeah, like during COVID. My Mom always says at least you know now who’s crazy an who’s not.
There’s a video on I believe YouTube of jd Vance talking about east Palestine (where there was a train derailment and chemical spill that destroyed a town). You should watch it. He sounds like Bernie sanders in it. That’s what makes him so dangerous. He’s smart, he’s competent, he’s got a handful of good ideas (broken clock right twice a day) but he’s also a fucking fascist. IIRC Hitler improved working conditions for the good Aryan Germans during his reign while doing horror to everyone else. That’s how they get their support and a whole lot of people will dismiss the crazy shit as not really happening.
The technofascists that are backing trump want to seek power legally just like Hitler and then … just like Hitler … turn the country into a dictatorship. And genocide the undesirables. Look up Curtis yarvin. Dudes a fucking creep of a philosopher that has the ear and backing of all the technofascists. They are out in the open with what they’re doing.
How anyone can think Trump is in it for anyone but himself after his first term is baffling. You only need moderate thinking skills to realize that, which I understand is an issue as well with education.
I can assure you that it’s the people you are talking to that take the crazy pills on the regular.
Thanks mate!
You may be, but clearly more than half of you are not 🤷♂️
Have you checked the voter turnout? Because I didn’t but it’s traditionally low in the US for different reasons. And this doesn’t take into account people not allowed to vote. I don’t live in a utopia either but the US is especially undemocratic by design
Surprisingly this was one of the most active elections since 1900. Others being JFK and 2020.
Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout.
I wasn’t talking about this vote compared to other US elections but about the US voting system compared to other nations. 63.9% is still low for international standards. The comment above me said “half of you did”, turns out it’s closer to a third. And I’m not blaming the third that stayed at home, I’m blaming the system for shying them away.
I’m absolutely blaming the third that did not vote. When you’re in a car that is barreling towards a cliff, the only acceptable choice is to hit the brakes. Not doing anything is just as bad as pressing the gas pedal.
How many eligible voters chose not to out of apathy or other factors within their control?
Voters that chose to stay home are functionally the same as Trump supporters. They chose this.
Trump didn’t even get half of votes, much less half of the population. The vast majority of Americans aren’t Trump supporters. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans don’t vote.
I consider those who didn’t vote to be just as bad as Trump supporter
Bingo. Yes, the system is rigged against minorities, but I wager there’s far more other people who easily could have voted but didn’t.
Yeah for sure. I respect that Republicans have made it difficult to vote in some areas but when Trump and Project 2025 are on the line, I really don’t care. If you didn’t jump through every possible hoop to vote against Trump then you may as well have voted for him in my eyes
“What do you mean, I can’t fix this by posting on social media? Stop oppressing me 😢😢😢”
I posted it all over X, why isn’t it working?!
What is it you are suggesting exactly?
Perhaps The things Americans should be doing are the things you shouldn’t post publicly about doing.
Look at countries that have successfully enacted change when they are angry with their government: Serbia currently, France whenever pensions are threatened, the Maidan Revolution, the Arab Spring (for what that was worth). What do they all have in common? Hint: it isn’t posting from the comfort of your couch.
Well, I see how you reached that conclusion. Unfortunately the US is socioeconomically completely different than any of those places, and our own oligarchs have engineered the system to keep us in our place.
How true, Americans are much more oppressed and less free than Ukrainians under Yanukovych or Egyptians under Mubarak. People everywhere are saying they’re the biggest victims by far — yuge victimhood.
Americans are fed insane propaganda from birth to death about how they’re powerless to change our government. It’s a total lie. And curiously, a large chunk of them are really into the second amendment to protect themselves against tyranny (wtf are they doing the tyranny is here). I guess we’ll see what happens when president musk finally goes after social security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Protesting and organizing is a start instead of the defeatist “it won’t do anything” or “but it annoys people.” Proceeds to do nothing but annoy people online.
And then you get fired, and then you lose your health insurance
Unionize. Organize a strike with coworkers. Ostensibly for better wages, but actually for fighting back.
Unionizing does not make sense for where I am at. For those for whom it does make sense, they will get fired before ever coming close to having a union, and then they will lose their health insurance. Please see Amazon for a good example.
Alright, well, go ahead and get in the box car.
Listen mate. I’m not advocating for this viewpoint. I’m trying to illustrate for y’all the difficulties we face here, that are baked into the system. Obviously we need to unionize. A lot. Soon. But it’s very much stacked against those who try. I will give them all the support I can. But these are very real challenges.
Defeatist logic never got anyone anywhere. It does work. There is so many companies actively unionizing right now, especially mid sized ones that can’t simply close down shop. I’m on the ground, my local has 3 elections for it in 3 weeks coming up.
Please see Amazon for a good example.
We’re actually making a ton of progress on them. That might get wiped with the trump shit. But it’s far from as impossible as their propaganda makes you want to think.
Protests don’t work. Luigi does.
Here are some ideas:
- Do a risk assessment for your specific situation and relationships and work to reduce your risk
- Form stronger bonds with people in your community
- Read history and the mechanisms of similar situations
- Work to reduce fascists radicalization where you can (hint: probably not online)
- Stop enabling whiny “there’s nothing we can do” bullshit
Well, I’m not looking forward to the German elections next week either. #notallgermans #fckafd
I’m willing to consider California becoming the 11th province. We’re gonna make these GAFAM pay for all these years of manipulation and rename the US to Naziland.
New England would almost entirely very much like to become the southern-most Canadian province.
No thanks. Other than VT they are more right-wing than Canada.
As one of “them,” I can confidentially tell you that that is not the case.
Nah, California is too right-wing and populous, it’d overwhelm Canada’s Canadianness.
I think we should take Alaska, it always made more sense as a Canadian territory.
See the responses to your post on !yurop@lemm.ee, I can’t be bothered copying them here
Imagine telling Jews in the Holocaust their opinions and thoughts don’t matter because Hitler was elected.
That’s not what’s happening. People weighing in on the political situation, airing their concerns, or trying to highlight issues that aren’t being reported on aren’t the ones being called out here. It’s the “but I’m one of the good ones” comments that have been peppered into every discussion on non-US-centric communities.
Whether you’re one of the good ones or not is immaterial. It’s contributing nothing. It’s just people trying to make the discussion about them.
That’s our way of begging you to take us in if things get bad. Are you willing to or is your progressiveness and ability to take refugees conditional on where they come from?
Our electoral system has been rigged for decades. The only way forward is coordinated mass strikes and if that doesn’t work, violence.
My dude, if things get worse Canadians are not going to be in a position to offer anything. All this trade war shit will annihilate our economy, for a start. And if we get invaded, how can we help? This is like Russians asking Ukrainians for aid.
I mean, realistically, people will figure things out on a local level if and when it happens, but it doesn’t sound like you have thought through the implications of where things could be going.
You have to realize the US is 50 countries in a trench coat. Some of us leave the United States and join Canada as territories, you get our tax dollars, we get your healthcare. We don’t burden housing or food because we’re coming with land already. We’re living under a technofascist coup right now and the quicker we break up the less bloody it will be.
Definitely agree that the faster fascism gets interrupted the better. 👍🏻
What is it you are saying those people should have done/should be doing?
So there were no German Jews in the 1930s? You don’t think they voted? Or are you saying since they weren’t successful in defeating the NSDAPT in the elections they weren’t good? Seems like you are being disingenuous and letting propaganda to support a narrative.
