EV sales in the region are growing, but not for Tesla.

Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla’s electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it’s just one more problem for the automaker.

        • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          17 days ago

          Implying that there could be nazis who don’t really support white supremacist values, but are a part of the movement due to peer pressure or something?

          • stardust@lemmy.caEnglish
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            17 days ago

            There’s a lot of gaslighting lately to try and come across as more palatable to the mainstream audience with people saying stuff like it’s not a Nazi salute or people are too sensitive these days when it inappropriate comments.

            So there’s people who gaslight others, and some who are gaslighting themselves into trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong with the people and ideologies they support. Which isn’t rare and often seen when it comes to support of celebrities who’ve been accused of bad things as an example.

            There’s also people who know they would not be accepted by Nazis because of their background, but still share a lot of the same discriminatory beliefs leading to some degree of fondness.

          • casmael@lemm.eeEnglish
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            17 days ago

            I think as we move forward in time the line between ‘Nazi’ and ‘supporter of the Nazi party’ and ‘collaborator with nazis’ becomes blurred. When looking at ww2 and the time when the Nazi party ruled in Germany, we don’t make that kind of distinction in general.

            • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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              17 days ago

              Yeah definitely in a WW2 Germany there were plenty of people who just decided to go with the flow. I think that most people who nowadays get labeled nazis are mostly hard core racists. The number of passive supporters and collaborators is probably rather small by comparison.

  • thanksforallthefish@literature.cafeEnglish
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    17 days ago

    The people who support Nazis are not the same people who buy Teslas in Europe. I’ve seen on reddit (ie may be fake don’t rely on it) that one person had put a " I bought it before we knew he was a Nazi" sticker on their tesla.

    • AllPintsNorth@lemm.eeEnglish
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      17 days ago

      There a four Teslas in my buildings underground parking garage here in Germany. One of them my own.

      3 of the 4 of them have that sticker. Also, one of them my own.

      The one that didn’t, did have it, until he needed some service done, and when the car came back, the sticker was gone. So, I don’t know if he removed it to avoid any issues, or if that was a “service” that Tesla provided.

      I placed the order in 2021, so truly we didn’t know. It was back when Germany had the €9,000 subsidy and it made sense.

      It’s sad what he’s done, because I love the car, but hate what he’s done. But I’m not at a point where I can just get rid of it because he lost his marbles.

  • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    17 days ago

    They’re massively overpriced cars, the design quality is shit, and the “luxury” is basically zero. It’s an outdated model that’s now lagging years behind the competition.

    Why would anyone get one, even if they didn’t shout “I financially support nazism”.

  • Ziggurat@fedia.io
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    17 days ago

    Beside the whole Elon is a Nazi story,

    Peope who can spend the price of an appartment in a car, already own a Tesla, and other brands start to make decent electric car. Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable, but if you go to intermediate models you’ll find car which can definitely compete with a Tesla.

    • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      17 days ago

      Sure the Electric version of the Peugeot 208 or the fiat 500 may lack a bit range to be usable,

      Um, I disagree. According to ADAC (german automobile club) testings, a Fiat 500 EV has a range of 150 km or 250 km (small and big battery, respectively). Even 150 km is perfectly fine for the daily ride to work and some groceries on the way home.
      The latest Peugeot e-208 according to ADAC tests has a range of 360 km.
      For comparison: ADAC tested the Skoda Enyaq 85x (their test winner for compact cars in that testing cycle) in march 24 with 300-450 km. Both the Fiat 500 and the Peugeot 208 are designed for urban environments though, and you don’t need a huge range there. Both cars have adequate ranges for their environment.
      (Both are way too expensive though, but that is a common issue among european BEVs.)