Signature /= footer
Resist
I always thought “uh, this thing with the pronouns in email signatures is just woke Nonsens, everyone knows what gender I am and want to be seen as” (and i still don’t really get neo-pronouns, to be frank), but I now work in a very international environment, and I am so glad if people give me their pronouns, because I can’t always tell which gender an Indian or Chinese name is. Honestly, it’s just smart to add them and they just save everyone a lot of time/confusion.
God forbid someone is named Riley, Sam, Charlie, etc.
I thought the same thing as well.
I have a few trans friends and neighbors who told me that basically when they came out and tried to change gender, no one would acknowledge their new identity. So it’s a subtle way to inform other people.
Also, I have met more than a few people whom I had no idea of their gender. So it’s actually great to read that pronoun because I don’t like playing guessing games.
Small government regulating pronouns in worker’s email signatures.
Regulations For Thee but Not for Me
MAGA voters couldn’t identify a pronoun in high school. How are they supposed to figure it out now?
Sorry to all the Blakes, Dylans, Ashleys, Francises, Shannons, Frankies, Charlies, Rorys, Blairs, Leslies, Angels, Billies, Sams, Kellys, Danas, Harleys, Adins, Caseys, and all the other non-binary/gender neutral names that I can’t think of right now.
-signed a person with a non-binary name
Does that mean no-one can call him ‘President’ Trump or ‘Mr’ President any more?
Isn’t president just a regular noun?
He’s the pimple on my ass.
This is so stupid. I know plenty of cishet people who include their pronouns in their sig because they have a gender neutral name.
Or, in my case, for solidarity and normalizing it.
Ty for being an ally, king.
<3
Of course it’s daft to mandate what people can and can’t put in their email footers but I don’t get why people put pronouns in footers.
I’m cis male and he/him. Others can call refer to me as it/them or she/her if they wish.
I dislike bananas but I don’t put that in my email footer.
I haven’t seen it in a while anyway. I thought it was a fad from the late 10s
“I don’t care about misgendering” says person of the always assumed gender.
I think that’s kind of reductive honestly.
Like most people I try not to be an ass, and generally try to get through the day without offending anyone.
If I know someone well enough to care about their gender obviously I’d do my best not to misgender them.
OTOH if I’m emailing customer support to ask where my order is I just couldn’t care less what the person’s gender is.
A persons right to identity is not dependant on how much you care about the interaction, or any other factor. Say you have to escalate the customer support ticket, and you want to say “your colleague X was helping me. He said X was not possible blah blah” this is easier if those pronouns have been visible to you, you don’t have to make an assumption or default to gender neutral pronouns which may not be appropriate depending on the individual.
I’m not imposing of anyones right to identity and frankly to suggest otherwise in any professional context would just be silly.
Like a great many people I send and receive emails all day, corresponding with people from all sorts of organisations.
An infinitesimal portion of people include pronouns in footers, and I suspect the people who do are cisgender with vanilla pronouns.
I get that I’m the only one here being blunt about it, and I’m happy to take the downvotes, but honestly how does anyone navigate the day to day without imposing on people’s “right to identity” if no one is announcing their pronouns in their email footers?
The obvious answer is, very few people care very much about this.
Why would you assume that the people who have their pronouns on display are cisgender? That’s baffling
Trans people, like myself, put their pronouns on display so that they can avoid being misgendered in the exact way I’ve described to you.
The only cis people, I’d imagine, who bother to do the same are people who are doing it in allyship with trans folk.
Very few people care very much about this
Sure, okay, yeah. And the people who do care, put their pronouns there for you to respect.
Quite frankly, if an infinitesimal set of your emails even include pronouns in the footer to begin with, why is it such a bugbear for you?
Its awesome that you use any/any pronouns but some people have massive feelings of gender dysphoria from being misgendered. I understand it can be difficult to relate to an experience you’ve never had, but it is a real experience and shouldn’t be minimised.
Finally. Something that will bring down the cost of groceries…
Don’t you know that adding your pronouns to an email costs an entire 6-10 bytes? There are children starving in Africa and you’re wasting your bytes on pronouns! Shame on you.
And, the tariffs will bring them up
Try stopping eating animals. Huge cut in groceries
The communist leader of northern Venezuela is mandating how to conduct your business, how to write, how to speak.
Party of small government, rule of law and free markets.
Mexican here. We’re Northern Venezuela. We’ll let you have Northern Cuba.
All fascists need to take dirt naps
Legal disclaimers often have pronouns, right?
“The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please immediately notify me by replying to this message and then delete this email from your system.”
Malicious compliance it and replace all of the pronouns: “The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If the recipient is not an intended recipient of this email, the recipient is hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If the recipient received this email in error, please immediately notify John Doe by replying to this message and then delete this email from the recipient’s system.”
Fuck 'em. I’m sure with a bit of work they could come up with some stuff that renders it nearly unreadable.
Um, I didn’t see where it said to replace pronouns with anything, only to remove them. So the correct verbiage would clearly be:
The information contained in this email message is intended only for the personal use of the recipient(s) named above. If are not an intended recipient of this email, are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If received this email in error, please immediately notify by replying to this message and then delete this email from system.
What about the people who often have DDoD, OCIS, NCIS, CCNA, CCNP, A+, Ph.D, MA, MBA, BA, BS, K12, SCRUMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS after their names? Can we get rid of title abuse then never focus on pronouns?
Man, I spent a lot of money and time for my post-nominals, I don’t care if they’re 100% irrelevant to what I do, they’re getting used in every god damn email.
(Helps that I only have one, though. And to be clear, I am happy to vehemently argue this point for months/years to steal focus from pronouns).
snrk A+… i always get a giggle when somebody actually includes that one
Jesus fucking christ.
(They / Them)This would make a great pronoun or title attached to your name. Sign off every email with …
John Doe
Jesus Fucking Christ
So…so fragile
I agree with the sentiment but I wouldn’t go as far as banning it. I’m for free speech even when I think it’s stupid. I do admit of having preconceptions of people who do this though.
Also, feels like such a pointless thing to debate about as someone whose native language doesn’t have gendered pronouns to begin with. Here everyone is they/them.
What sentiment do you agree with then?
Not including your pronouns on emails / online profiles.
Why though? It helps people know how to talk about you and takes nothing away from the ones who don’t care about them
It hurts his feelings.
