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It appears the US congress has just proposed (edited) a bill that declares “Antifa” a terrorist organization.
This doesn’t even make sense as Antifa isn’t an organization, but just a shared name for anyone that self-identifies as a person opposed to and willing to fight fascism 🤦♂️
Stay safe out there!
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The purpose of targeting an organization that doesn’t exist is that anyone who opposes the state can be labeled antifa, and therefore a terrorist.
Guess I really need to pay attention if we have a “Tread of Fascists” flag hanging up then. Somehow it’s potentially legally worse than a Confederate flag in the US? My poor, Union ancestors and very heavy U.S./Pennsylvanisch Deitsche ancestry.
sooo theyre announcing they are officially pro fascism. got it.
So in America anti-fascists are terrorists and murderous insurrectionists are heroes. Their forefathers must just be spinning in their graves.
Our forefathers owned slaves. 🙄
Go for it. There’s no such thing as antifa outside the minds of chuds. There’s no organization. No roster of “members”
It’s just people who are anti-fascist as a principle. And every living WWII vet.
That won’t stop them from branding any opposition as a member of antifa to justify terrorism charges. This is alarming because it is a step in systematically suppressing opposition.
Ding ding ding. Winner winner. The fascism playbook requires persecution of an “outside” group. Antifa is a backup if immigrants doesn’t work. Or if they don’t like someone who isn’t an immigrant.
My money on the first person prosecuted under Antifa-as-a-Terrorist-Org rule: AOC
Any guesses?
Yeah, such as people going to antifa meetings, people wearing antifa symbols, people posting they support antifa online and then proceeding to join protests in person from an antifa Facebook or discord or telegram group, then starting fires.
You really think claiming to be a headless organization is just a get out of jail free card?
“I’m a pacifist, I wear pacifist symbols, support pacifism online, and I joined a protest advertised on a pacifist Facebook group.”
Pacifism isn’t an organization. There are specific pacifist organizations that could individually be targeted, but there’s no such thing as the “pacifism” organization, any more than there’s a general “antifa”.
Anti-fascism is popular. Big fuckin shocker there.
The new big red boogeyman
The vagueness is the point. Vague laws transfer the power to those who enforce it (ACAB) who get to decide if that law applies in that case.
It’s the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who’s a witch? Keep it vague, and that answer becomes fully arbitrary and dependent on different social factors (such as people trying eliminate others and take their land by using such accusations). It also encourages everyone else to “signal” that they’re not whatever the bad label is… as a precaution. Preemptive antiantifa. This is basic conservative society shit.
We saw the same thing since 2020 with the right-wing turning mask wearing into a signal for “weakness & femininity” and “leftism”, and large numbers of conservatives decided that it was better to get COVID-19 and long COVID. Note that this wasn’t STATE controlled, but it wasn’t organic either, it was more of a private astroturfing phenomenon.
I’m not sure what the solution is, and I doubt that it’s just one single thing, but I’d love to see some ideas.
It’s the same strategy used by the Spanish inquisition. Who’s a witch?
The Spanish Inquisition was aimed at heretics (Jews, Protestants and Muslims), not witches.
And the secular arm was far worse when interrogating.
Important detail: It isn’t a bill that’s been passed. It’s only been introduced and referred to the judiciary committee. It’ll be bigger news if it gets out of the committee, goes to the floor, and gets passed.
Thanks for the clarification, I edited the post.
They want it again? Oh well, predictable as a clockwork.
An article from 2020, when Trump & co wanted it last time:
What Is Antifa, the Movement Trump Wants to Declare a Terror Group?
What they failed to learn last time:
Rather, antifa is more of a loose movement of activists whose followers share some philosophies and tactics.
As others have mentioned, they didn’t fail to learn it. Broadness and vagueness is the point. It’s a weapon, and broadness makes it a sharper tool to suppress anyone and everyone. Membership isnt a thing. So worst case scenario, they can easily say, “they called trump a fascist, and antifa literature has stated they aim to fight what they call fascism. Therefore they’re enemies of the state.”
At what point is crying fascism going to actually scare people? Because shit like this is definitely scary. They want a reason to arrest you? They look back at your social media and say in 2020 you posted pro-BLM remarks, supported the protests and defended property destruction: antifa.
Fucked up. Doubly so because “terrorism” charges are much, much more punitive. Basically, as soon as you’re charged with anything related to terrorism, you’re absolutely fucked with zero rights. Especially under a government that has no oversight and is out on an ideological rampage.
Antifa is like communism. Hitler is a communist and thus is evil until he is a smart man whose symbols we should revere and have streets named after him, then he is a nationalist who was assaulted by Poland and had to defend himself and whom the French and British suddenly and unjustly declared war on and claimed that Germans must be exterminated.
‘We cannot rest until the sound of the German language is still heard around the platter we call earth.’ Neville Chamberlin.
You probably realized that most of the stuff I wrote is deliberate bullshit. But there have been so many real examples of stuff written like that (fake quotes, strings of events that were either invented or skewed so badly they cease to resemble reality) that this is what a ‘debate’ with a fascist looks like. We’ve seen it with the whole Haitians are eating cats and dogs. That shit came out of nowhere and despite Kamala rightly laughing at it, people ate it all up and believed it.
Then they will accuse their opponents of being stupid and believing it… until they start to say it is real again when it is convenient. Pathological lying is a feature, not a bug.
Trump’s already half senile, what makes you think he remembers that? Or cares?
antifa is not an organization. It’s more of an identification, and a label that is placed by state media. BLM is an organization that might show up to same event. Anyone protesting Musk/nazi adjacent rules, would be called antifa.
This is a law against protests, where the more fascist the rulers are, the less you are allowed to protest.
Neonazis, ok. Fighting against neonazis, not ok. Got it.
So antifa has a leader and a headquarters now? Is there a secret handshake? Dang. Nobody tells me anything.
As the democratically elected CEO of Antifa I’m surprised you didn’t know about the Nazi Puncher Dab-Up
And this is what’ll make eggs cheaper, right?
…right?
Yeap, that surely will be the one…
those poor fascists 😢
istg these new policies sound like they were made by a 11 year old conservative - except they’re from an 80 year old fascist.
Apparently they are actually written by an intern with the help of ChatGPT 💩
at this point id believe that. its only been a couple of days after his inauguration and destroyed all his ties to other countries, revoke nb’s passports and accelerate the gazan genocide
beyond parody
I remember the day that I applied to be a member of the ANTIFA organization. It was a gorgeous day, the sun warmed my back as I walked into their headquarters, documents in hand.
I met with the president, board members and committee. They gave me a uniform, took my picture, and printed an ID.
Then, I was invited into the private group chat, which everyone in ANTIFA is in.
But, times have changed.
Since then, they sold my data, and now I get fucking Dominos Pizza coupons all day. How am I meant to fight fascism with fucking pizza.
It’s marjorie taylor greene bullshit. Hopefully the rest of congress is smarter than this.
Hopefully the rest of congress is smarter than this.
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I’m embarrassed to ask this but what is antifa? Anti-fascist? People who don’t want another Hitler? If so, why is it so controversial and why do they think antifa stormed the capital because that’s the last thing an antifa group would do.
antifa is an organized anti-fascist group dreamed up by trump. they don’t exist, and never have. if you look at the things the bill cites as actions by antifa it includes blm, drag queen story hour, random forum posts, the capitol storming, and literally everything in between.
so, what they’re doing is making everyone who goes against the government in any way a domestic terrorist, and simultaneously making “anti-fascist” a bad thing.
so, what they’re doing is making everyone who goes against the government in any way a domestic terrorist
But that’s literally them. They’re the anti-government people who stormed the capital, said the election was rigged, and to hang Mike Pence. They are the domestic terrorists.
right, and by saying antifa did that they are simultaneously whitewashing the group of people who were at that rally and condemning their actions. antifa had infiltrated them, dontchaknow.
What kind of twisted games are they playing here?
They are justifyng and hiding their terrorism. They are fascists who are currently capturing the state. I am very doubtful that there will be another (fair?) US election if left unchecked.
it makes sense if you assume they are fascists.
Where is the mention of the capitol riots? I feel like I’m losing my mind. Wouldn’t put it past them to try to blame that on antifascists
It was a bunch of cope/scapegoating that happened on Jan 6.
you’re right. antifa is anti-fascist. we don’t want another hitler. and the reason it’s “controversial” is that the right wants another hitler. they have another hitler. what we’re engaged in now is a war about what truth is. the right wing has captured most of media. so they’re trying to direct their actors to promote the message that antifa is the source of the problems to capture the ~50-60% of americans who never know what’s going on. these dumbasses will be swayed by the most basic psy-op campaign. they are manufacturing consent for that they’re about to do genocide against american community members
