• KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca
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    21 hours ago

    Boots up gaming PC

    Windows: “YOU IN DANGER ZONE! NEED WINDOWS 11! BUY NEW PC U SCRUB!!!111”

    Load up Steam

    Steam: “Hey, I see MS are being assholes - click here to install SteamOS instead”

    Reboot PC

    Millions of people never run windows again

    I’m dreaming but that would be amazing. That would make this the year of the Linux desktop. C’mon GabeN, make it happen!

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      Are you sure you don’t want to create a microsoft ID? Microsoft believes that you should only trust them with all of your data and credentials. They promise they won’t hand over your information to the government unless the government serves them a subpoena or has an agreement to access the data that is lawful or they detect something they have been asked to report.

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      You forgot the endless pages of trick questions you have to periodically step through to get into Windows. One wrong move and you owe Microsoft money every month.

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        AMD’s RT performance is getting quite close to Nvidia. Each generation gets them closer and closer.

        CUDA will always be proprietary but there’s a ton of resources being put against alternative solutions.

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      12 hours ago

      Things which are holding this back

      • Collaboration with OEMs to provide SteamOS OTTB (Lenovo is an exception)
      • Nvidia support. Most gamers use Nvidia GPU unfortunately
      • Certain industry-standard software which don’t have a Linux port. PSA: Most people don’t want to learn alt software. Johnny Mainstream is scared of new softwares. This cannot be changed
      • End-users suffer from choice paralysis and Linux offers endless choice. Maybe SteamOS can help.

      What we know so far, SteamOS won’t be a general purpose OS, so it might not support every random piece of h/w.

      We might not have the year of the Linux Desktop, but we can expect 2025-2026 to be the year of the Linux handheld.

      SRC: Linux fanboy for the last decade

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        Choice paralysis is a surprisingly big issue. I’m waiting for the parts for my new gaming PC build to arrive, and the amount of time I’ve spent choosing a distro has been asinine.
        But I did make the choice to leave both the NVIDIA and Windows eco systems on my desktop after seeing most my games run fine on the steam deck ( along with disliking windows 11, and NVIDIA ending gamestream support)

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          Distro doesn’t really matter too much. Just don’t get some obscure distro that no one has heard of before.

          Plus it’s pretty common for newbies to jump around to test out different distros anyway.

          Most of the time, the differences you will see are just desktop environment.

          After you have used Linux for some time, then you will understand the major differences between the distros other than the way they look.

          If you have any questions about Linux feel free to send me a DM. I’m always happy to help.

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            Surprisingly for a choice that I realize doesn’t really matter, it still ends up burning alot of time researching.

            Intially looked at Bazzite, which seemed great other than I wasn’t a fan of it immutability, I’ve had to remove the read-only property from my steam deck a few times.

            Then I looked at CatchyOS/Arch, decided to avoid that as I know I’m too lazy to read notes every update, and while I don’t mind tinkering and fixing stuff… I want it to be on my schedule lol.

            Avoiding Debian, my server currently runs it, but I remember it giving me headaches installing older JREs on it to run modded minecraft servers.

            So I’m going to try OpenSuse, not for any real valid reason other than the last time I tried Linux as my daily driver ( 2004/2005) it was the first distro that worked smoothly without any driver headaches.

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      Does anybody remember Wubi? It was Linux that was installed on Windows just like a regular program. Gave you an option to choose Linux on boot. It didn’t make any partitions, and if you didn’t want it anymore? Then you’d go to Windows and uninstall like any other program. It had a few limitations but was an interesting concept.

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        Of course! It’s what got me started!

        I love it as a concept, and frankly a dual boot installer (create partitions) that worked from Windows would be pretty useful I think. USB/disk installs add complexity that just hurt the chances.

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        Yeah, I remember Wubi! That was 20-ish years ago now. It kind of got made irrelevant by VM’s I guess. I wonder if it’s still around.

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          VMs are still slow unless you’re talking linux on linux with KVM

          Wubi was great because you got native speed to test Linux with, which was probably better than Windows for at least most versions of Windows.

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            There’s WSL now in Windows 11 - a built-in, pretty performant instance of Linux. The recent versions run a proper Linux kernel I believe (the older ones were more of a compatibility layer over Windows APIs). I’m not sure what the limitations of WSL are. But there is already some kind of Linux in Windows. I use it for the odd utility and to avoid having to learn PowerShell.

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              There is. Wubi was more about giving 14 year old me the confidence to try out an entirely different os.

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      “It erased pictures of my nana, Im going to sue Gabe Newell!” Windows users 🙄🙄

      (I am that user)

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    Yeah, I don’t think Microsoft has ever understood or cared how much pc gaming has added value to windows.

    Which makes the strategic defeat here of failing to understand they are fucked longterm all the more satisfying.

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      Microsoft understood in the 90s.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2V9TFrmQ_Q

      St. John recognized the resistances for game development under Windows would be a limitation, and recruited two additional engineers, Craig Eisler and Eric Engstrom, to develop a better solution to get more programmers to develop games for Windows. The project was codenamed the Manhattan Project, like the World War II project of the same name, and the idea was to displace the Japanese-developed video game consoles with personal computers running Microsoft’s operating system.

      To get more developers on board DirectX, Microsoft approached id Software’s John Carmack and offered to port Doom and Doom 2 from MS-DOS to DirectX, free of charge, with id retaining all publishing rights to the game. Carmack agreed, and Microsoft’s Gabe Newell led the porting project. The first game was released as Doom 95 in August 1996, the first published DirectX game. Microsoft promoted the game heavily with Bill Gates appearing in ads for the title.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

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        Yeah, Microsoft has had brief moments like this but systematically they have behaved consistently like the only thing that matters to them is enshittifying the work environment of office workers.

        The examples you gave are interesting precisely because they are a brief departure from the norm.

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        It’s kind of wild how much Microsoft failed to capitalize on PC gaming over the last 20 years. Arguably PC Gaming has thrived in spite of them, not because of them.

        Valve was smart to understand how Microsoft could threaten their business model but it barely mattered considering how many rakes Microsoft stepped on over the years. Don’t even get me started on Games For Windows Live.

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          Microsoft prevented PC gaming from dying and moved the industry from “sometimes there are pc games” to “occasionally there is a platform exclusive other than Nintendo”. That was all Xbox. Valve did a much better job of sitting back and raking in 30% for their glorified downloader, but the games existed because of the compatibility efforts of Xbox.

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          He left Microsoft almost immediately after Doom 95 was released specifically because he didn’t like the direction Microsoft was going.

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    I hope that SteamOS finds more of its way into desktop computers. Sure, I don’t trust Valve; just like I don’t trust any other corporation. But it’s like fighting a big cancer with a smaller meta-cancer, if they hurt Windows/Microsoft I’m happy.

    Plus its current relationship with GNU/Linux is symbiotic.

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      It’d be great, but they haven’t even ported the Steam desktop client to 64-bit x86 yet*, I feel like we’re going to wait a while for that.

      * and that’s not even true, they were forced to port it for the Mac, so they’re just sitting on the 64 bit builds for the other OSes for some reason

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        64-bit brings a lot of benefits - can use more RAM directly, more opcodes and lots more registers allow code to run much more efficiently - but for a programme that I just want to open, click on a couple of times and then for it to be almost completely out of the way, those aren’t the biggest selling points. In fact, definitely supporting 32-bit for older games might be better. They might just not want the maintenance headache of supporting two builds.

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    This is a dumb headline and a dumb article. Valve is making ripples in handhelds, yes, but to say the same on PC is moot. Microsoft still has an iron grip on a large amount of PCs. There’s so few that will bother with SteamOS as OS of choice since it is a one-trick pony compared to Windows, even though it is shit right now. They still need Windows to run nearly 99% of games.

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      In my own personal experience, as a gamer and having switched my main machine at home to Pop!OS some months ago, it’s more like “need Windows to run nearly 5% of games” thanks to Wine and Proton which work as adaption layers to let Windows programs (not just games) run in Linux.

      (Curiously I use a lot more Wine with Lutris than Proton and Steam, so my success rate is even down to how far the main Wine project got, rather than any special juice that Steam might have added on their Proton branch of Wine - you don’t really need Steam or Proton to run most games in Linux and the success rate for just running games from GoG or even pirated ones is just as good and from some games it’s even the case that the Steam version won’t run but a pirated version runs just fine, probably because it was the DRM that the pirates cracked that caused the problems).

      Mind you, at least in my games collection only maybe 1 in 20 have native Linux versions (which is still better than 99% of games being Windows only), but because of adaption layers like Wine and Proton, for most games you can run the Windows version of it in Linux.

      Absolutelly, in the old days it definitelly was the case that Windows was needed for nearly 99% of games (I should know: I’ve been trying to switch my gaming to Linux since the late 90s), but that’s not at all the case anymore.

      Your idea of how hard it is to game on Linux is at least 1 decade out of date.

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      They still need Windows to run nearly 99% of games.

      No you don’t? Literally that’s what proton does

      The biggest holdouts are specific kernel anticheat solutions.

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        honestly steam os is in many ways better at running old ass windows programs than windows.

        Case in point, Steel Panthers (WinspMBT or WinspWW2) is an ancient DOS game that can’t run in fullscreen without crashing on Windows and honestly I prefer it on my deck because it inherently runs the game in fullscreen and overall seems to run it better than my windows computer ever did.

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      99%?

      I’d say SteamOS/Linux is closer to running 99% of games. Mostly just anti-cheat standing in the way.

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      And what does the majority of players use to install and play games? Yes, Steam.

      Also 78 of the 100 top games on Steam just run on Linux and 90 with some tinkering. Not really sure where that 99% comes from.

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      It is very strangely worded and structured. I mean, the point is fairly obvious and by extension not… wrong, but the analysis and the writing aren’t great.

      Which I guess is on par for what’s left of Kotaku these days.