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Every DRM related app afterwards: WARNING! This phone is running insecure software and is incompatible with this service.
And before you tell me just to not use Netflix on my phone, I’m talking about a government app that lets me authenticate and without which I can’t read official messages or login to any government or banking service.
So if I want to survive as an adult Dane, I pretty much have to figure out which company I would like to get sodomized by, and which is less of a clingy little bitch afterwards.
What trash-ass country requires you to maintain a proprietary operating system and device to access government services?
They referred to themselves as a Dane, which is somebody who lives in Denmark. So the country in question is likely Denmark.
Oh. That makes sense. My brain must have passed it over thinking it was a typo (of course they’re not a dog of a specific breed)
My panties just dropped
Edit: I’m not a girl, just a rust dev
Edit: I’m not a girl, just a rust dev
then you likely need to wash them now, like right now
They already shattered when they dropped.
Does all that and still used WhatsApp lol
I still haven’t found a way to make my parents use Signal, so either I stop communicating with them (which is tempting sometimes) or have this compromise
use matrix with the whatsapp bridge
Not everyone has the possibility to self-host
you can join public instances, and maybe even make them set it up for you.
While you are technically correct, most people vastly overestimate the cost of self hosting a (matrix) server. Mine costs like 5€ a month with domain and we use it as a group of 5 people.
Can you get that to work with all messages or only a few groups you have to setup manually? Was looking into it before I started self hosting but didn’t find it desirable at that time and just resorted to do what anon did.
all messages. and it works really well!
I just don’t communicate with anyone that insists on using products that have user agreements I don’t agree with. The amount of bullshit user agreements are getting overloaded with makes them dangerous legal contracts that can have serious implications on your rights. Just ask the family whose daughter died at a Disney theme park and when they tried to sue Disney tried to force them to arbitration because their son had tried Disney+
Well evidently you’re not in charge of anyone’s healthcare: when you have a parent that has to be taken care of, you have to compromise if they’re not able to adapt
I’d rather use SMS than sign my rights over to Meta. They can use that if they can use facebook or whatsapp.
You cannot attach medical prescriptions to SMS
Wow. In Canada you cannot get prescription renewals any other way
Easy choice. No such nasty crAPP (pun intended) will touch my innocent phone. If they wouldn’t even install a safe(er) app for their kid, then that’s already enough communication.
Well life is all about what morals you decide to follow, I’ve evidently chosen the one where I’m handing over a small amount of privacy to be less of a pain in the ass to the people around me.
And the main reasons are:- elder parents I need to take care of
- people won’t listen to you if you are unreasonable with them
I don’t see what these points have to do with WhatsApp and co? You can’t take care of them if you don’t install some shitty app they decided to use? And they won’t listen to you if you don’t use the same app? Age is no sign of competence. One should listen to the one more competent in discussed matter. No matter the age or whatever else attribute.
Besides…it’s not really just “a small amount of privacy”. You’re on Lemmy, so I just assume you somehow know better.
I hate phones so much.
I love phones, just hate the companies running it.
Same with most tech, the tech isn’t evil, its just how its being used, and who’s steering its future.
Thanks to the companies you cannot love the phones without accepting the company’s every whim. So I don’t love phones.
That’s why my current phone is a Pixel running GrapheneOS. I still hate Android, but at least I don’t have to run Play services on my main profile. I do run it on a separate profile though for a couple services that need it.
I really just want Linux with decent support for phone features (MMS/calls/data on any carrier, with full wake from sleep reliability), decent battery life, and decent audio quality. Unfortunately, PinePhone doesn’t seem to handle those things properly (maybe it does MMS now?), so I stick w/ my GrapheneOS phone, which at least cuts out most of the crap from Android.
The current state of phones is WILD. Two bad options yet most everyone (including me) still use them. I actually like to use it as evidence that most people would be fine if plopped in front of Ubuntu or Debian+Gnome/KDE
Why not just get a google-less ROM at that point?
Lack of availability
Likely because of apps that depend on GMSThey removed the services too. Yeah that seems pointless.Also, microG for that scenario.
And then anon still walks around with a beacon in their pocket
very based.
Fake: Anon can do any of this
Gay: Bought a samsung phone
P.S the kids have been raving about this phone just reduces all those steps to “buy phone”.
> buy fairphone because I hate constructors adding their bloatware to my phone.
> Boot it up, insert SIM.
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification (thankfully I can hide it, just have to do it every reboot).How the fuck is that even legal
> Next reboot, my carrier tries to get me to install their shit with a permanent notification
Is this some US thing? What do you mean? I’ve never seen this.
I thought that could only happen in third world countries like the US but unfortunately this is in France. I’ll reboot my phone to show you.
Edit : well, apparently that’s related to connecting to the carrier’s network because right now I’m in another country and it doesn’t happen
I can show you a screenshot of the shitty app it installed the first time that happened, that it appears I can’t uninstall without rooting the phone. Keep in mind I bought the phone directly from Fairphone so it was not “SIM locked” to my carrier :
I looked again for more info about that app and it appears they are pulling that shit with the phone constructor’s consent. After all they are the main mobile phone carrier in France by a huge margin, which probably helps for these kinds of deals. I would have liked to have been consulted too though…
That app in the picture was installed automatically? 😮 Abhorrent and totally scary. Does that mean they can install whatever they like on your phone any time they want? Do you know how this works?
Basically through a notification saying I need to setup the voicemail iirc
The wonders of a device that doesnt support graphene os. Must suck
As a graphene user
You still have to fork out a grand or more to google more or less directly
There’s zero need to buy the newest and fanciest phone unless you just want to brag about it; my Pixel 6 Pro cost me $200 refurbished and does everything you could ask for.
Still money in Google’s pocket
No, Google was paid once by the original owner. The money I paid went to the third party refurbishment company.
Increasing the demand for pixels, regardless of state
They would sit in a desk drawer otherwise.
They would be sold to others
How? How? 7a costs $350.
In your currency sure
I mean, getting that going was only mildly less involved to do. You still need to dick around with the bootloader and such.
I’d love to degoogle and debullshit my phone but then I need the back app… I’d like to tap with my phone to pay, and that won’t be allowed because we can have nice things.
I’d like to use a host of other apps I won’t be able to use anymore…
Any solution that allows me to just use a nice phone with all the features?
put your credit card in the back of the case hah
best bet is get a phone with default android and delete default apps with ADB
I did this when I was in Japan. I didn’t want to jump through all their ridiculous hoops to get tap to pay to work, so I just threw my NFC debit card into my case and called it a day. Worked 90% of the time.
It’s funny how i never thought of this until i wrote the comment. Was Now i just gotta make an RFID blocking sheet that flips off the back lol
I think NFC payments work in Graphene
@BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works Sorry I can’t figure out how to reply in thread, made an account just to tell you you can get a nøglebrik/kodeviser for MitId. It’s a fully offline TOTP thing that you can use instead of the app. I never even installed the app :)
If I’m not mistaken, Anon’s Phone will still communicate with Google services for location services and push notifications after this.
No, not after he removed everything with Google in the name, including Google Play services.
What anon doesn’t realize it’s that you don’t need to root your phone for all this, you can just use adb or the universal android debloater.
— sent from a Samsung that’s degoogled in the same exact way.
I see. In that case his push notifications will not work for apps that rely on Google play services for them. A few other things off the top of my head:
A-GPS SUPL must be changed Captive portal must be changed DNS, NTP servers must be changed Depending on how much you trust Chromium system webview should be avoided
It is not trivial to remove Google from Android, even AOSP
Apps that don’t rely on google push notifications usually come with a workaround that shows a permanent fake notification; which then allows normal push functionality. If that doesnt bother you it works perfectly fine without play services.
What makes me keep it myself is the necessity for certain play store exclusive apps such as banking and the one for my local public transit. Can’t do without those
Yep, those are all issues you run into. Without microg you lose quite a bit of functionality. Personally, I’m content with sending less data to Google, so I leave some things alone.
I like that in this scenario they still have to install Whatsapp to be able to phone on the phone.
Frankly, my stance to this is to just do what’s convenient and deal with the rest. For big, meaningful change you need regulation, not user behavior.
What do you mean? They can phone without, they install it to “communicate with boomeer relatives”, as it’s written.
It was hyperbole… but only just. Even most of my audio calls happen over Whatsapp these days. Certainly 100% of the texting.
I know this is very region-dependent, so mileage may vary, but I did find it funny that it was acknowledged here despite the deliberately convoluted deep scrubbing depicted on the rest of the post. It’s… less funny now that you made me explain it, though.
OK, I’ve never used WhatsApp so I thought you meant that with these changes the regular call feature would be broken.
Oh, no, not at all. It’s just that socially in some territories Whatsapp is incredibly ingrained. Even if you cut off every Meta app people will expect you to be reachable that way by default, so you kinda can’t avoid it. I don’t know if that was the point of the post, but it’s the best bit, at least if you’re in that kind of place.
Its my secondary phone
Just install Linux mobile at this point
If only basic phone features still worked properly with Linux, I would do just that.
I toyed with a Pinephone last year. Most of my complains were toward the hardware, although I didn’t try every basic functionality either.
It took me a while to setup the OS because I wanted to try a few different distros and screwed up a few times here and there. Arch was the most stable of those I tried. It also comes with a built-in right to brag about using Arch, which is cool. I think that using a more recent and higher grade phone could make it usable in the day to day, as the pinephone is more of a development tool. Otherwise, give it a few more years.Yup, I hoped that last year would’ve been long enough, but it’s still not in a state that I could daily drive it, so I ended up with a Pixel 8 w/ GrapheneOS. I’m definitely watching development, and if I find a good phone/OS match that allows me to daily drive something like PostmarketOS or Arch on a phone, I’ll probably switch.
It’s a cool project, and I sincerely hope Linux gets to a place where I can daily drive it on my phone. I already use it on my laptop and desktop (openSUSE Tumbleweed, after several years of Arch), and I would love to also use it on my phone. I’ll even help port/develop apps for it as well, but it needs to meet my basic needs first (so MMS, all day battery life, good audio, reliable calls/texts). In the meantime, I’m trying to switch to a VOIP service instead, which simultaneously makes my need for all-day battery less important (can answer calls on my computer), complicates basic phone features (not sure how VOIP call device wake-up works on Linux), and eliminates much of the issues w/ carriers (just need a data plan, and most calls will be over wifi).
