Anon: 2007
The music industry ca. 1981:
Also the book piracy that existed in universities through photocopying and sharing pages.
I really wish I was a consultant for these fucking jokers.
Back when Disney+ was just “Rumor has it Disney wants to launch their own Netflix-like streaming service.”, I called this shit. I said “Well that’s just going to cause this whole thing to fall apart, no one’s going to juggle 50 different streaming services just to be able to find something to watch.”
And I was fucking right.
The only ethical streaming service is Tubi as it doesn’t charge relying on ads alone, and it’s a neat little bonus that Tubi has actively aided in the restoration of lost media.
If it aint on Tubi, then I’m going to yo-ho-ho with a bottle of fuck you.
🏴☠️🎶"Yo! Ho! All hands, hoist the colours high!"🎶🏴☠️
That’s a weird as heck christmas song.
The One Piece is real!.. and can be seen on [Streaming Site REDACTED]
Pluto is also free with ads
2007 ? Everybody around me was pirating every single piece of media in 2000 and we were late to the party
Napster was a household name and made mp3 piracy mainstream in 1999!
2007? I remember watching a DivX of The Matrix back in 99. Prior to that I remember watching south park episodes in the RealPlayer.
I watched the entirety of Blair witch project the week before it came out in a real player at 300 by 200 pixels. I kept rotating between watching it thumbnail sized and watching it regular player sized. Both were equally inferiorating
Yeah this was going on before that. Media Piracy really set-off in the late 90s when DSL, and cable, internet services became mainstream. Also Netflix started making their own content in response to a growing number of competing services, all fighting over the same pool of production companies’ work, and having exclusive rights to one IP, or another, rather than other services being the result of netflix making their own content.
I watched Key The Metal Idol in 56 kbps. Downloaded, of course, because trying to stream using RealPlayer never fucking worked. I’m pretty sure I could fire up a server and client over my home network, to-day, and it’d still pause with “Buffering…” twice per minute.
Anyway, I’m discussing video on Game Boy in another thread, and dial-up quality video was still ridiculous.
Yes, but you are old as a rock.
Those times are lost in the unknowable pre-history of what we call “the internet” today.
fuck streaming, long live piracy
2007… that guy was late to the game. And before this we had burned CDs and Zip Drives
I’m doing my part 🫡
I mean, yeah. More or less.
Compare with the music industry, where there are a good number of streaming services, and pretty much all of them offer the same selection of music, all of it.
I don’t think I know of anyone who pirates music at all.
The answer is greed. They make more being vertically integrated doing their own streaming than they would make taking a cut from a third party to host the same content.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Netflix entered into the already existing sphere of greed based commodification / exploitation that legacy media created decades ago. these legacy media conglomerates (owned circularly by the same big players in wall street black rock, vangaurd, state street et all.) dominate and control multiple industries and now Netflix is just part of that same ecosystem amassing wealth for their own self centered agenda without much, if any oversight at all. Theres just few greedy old cigar smoking men or rather boardrooms lead by these same men controling a majority of the world. Blackrock, blackston, state street and vanguard circularly own about 20% of disney and they own around the same percentage of netflix as well. Nevermind all the other media outlets they own large shareholding positions of. Greed is not the accidental result its the primary objective
I feel bad for the artists.
Anon got it backwards, networks noticed how profitable Netflix was and bumped the price for Netflix to stream their stuff. Netflix responded by producing their own content rather than leasing others’ at exorbitant rates. Then Netflix later got greedy and bumped their prices, lowered their quality, and cancelled all of their good shows.
I think it’s a bit of both. Netflix knew that companies choosing to pull their content would be a threat, so they prematurely started producing content (famously starting with House of Cards and Orange is the New Black). Whether because they saw this as a threat or because of the perceived greater profitability of their own platforms (probably a bit of both), other studios started pulling their content from Netflix and setting up their own streaming sites.
And naturally, other companies pulling their content accelerated Netflix’s desire to produce their own content to ensure they weren’t left in the lurch.
Yall are overcomplicating things. Let me simplify.
Capitalist corporations + infinite greed = cannibalism
Yes, Netflix famously said they need to be HBO before HBO could become Netflix.
Yeah I consulted for the cable industry around the time that everyone was just starting to try to build their own services to compete with Netflix. It wasn’t a secret that production companies would be pulling their content. There were licensing agreements signed that had expiration dates.
So it was more like a race on both ends. Production companies were like “we get exclusive streaming rights to our movies back in X months, so we need to have our own platform up and running.” And Netflix was like “we lose streaming rights to these movies in X months, we need to make some content to replace it with.”
It doesn’t really matter, though. The only cause of companies pulling their content is Netflix’s success. There was no way Netflix could have prevented it.
Try the 70s.
That was when VHS and cassette tapes started to hit the market and there was no copy protection on those. Following that, people copied floppy disks enough that they had to make that “dont copy that floppy” jingle.
There was a brief period with the switch to digital and CDROMs where piracy stopped, but then CD burners hit the market and it started again.
Does this make Marion Stokes this most prolific pirate of all time?
sony v universal still stands, afaik. fair use.
even at that scale, she did it privately for non-commercial purposes.
everyone is forced to pay for media
Anon never copy vhs, cassette tape, cd, and dvd. I lived in southeast asia and pirated cd/dvd is openly sold in night market and low foot traffic part of the mall throughout the late 90s till early 2010s, only occasionally they got raid. Before that we basically record show from cable and rental then copy for each others.
But yes, as GabeN proved again and again, piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. Almost.
Also too, using cassettes to max mix tapes from the radio
Even into the 90s, I remember making cassette tapes of the local college radio shows.
One of my earliest memories as a little kid was my father putting a tape recorder in front of a record player speaker, and telling us all to be quiet because he was recording it. (Later on we got the fancier stereo with direct audio hookups.)
I remember feeling so excited when I got a shitty toy tape recorder with a microphone. The first thing I did was record all three Tetris songs from my Gameboy.
Exactly!
When I found Netflix, I subbed and stayed a customer for years because they provided the content I wanted at a low price. Now, however, the content has been split across a bunch of different streaming services, and juggling subscriptions and finding the content I want is a PITA, so I don’t bother. I cancelled everything except Netflix, and I plan to cancel that next month once my SO finishes the Netflix originals they want to watch, and we just buy what we want and I rip them to our Jellyfin server (or if I can’t find it legally to own, we pirate).
I’m a bit less concerned about the price and more frustrated by the change in user experience. I understand they can’t have everything all the time, but now it seems like they rarely have what I want, so we end up not using the service much. Screw paying for something I don’t use.
Valve has the right idea. I could jump between services and get a bit better deal, but I actually end up rebuying games I got free on other platforms because the Steam experience is so good. I have a Steam Deck, and it’s really nice to just pick it up and play. My desktop is Linux, and it’s really nice that most games just work w/o fiddling. I still shop around a little, but most of my gaming money goes to Valve because the service works well.
2007? Anon is a sweet summer child.
OP forgot Napster, as well as the p2p networks of old like WinMX, Kazaa, etc, nevermind Usenet.
Even before that, BBS, WaReZ sites, IRC. Dialup internet wasn’t a problem when RAR files could be split up for a release.
IRC was a wild level of automated for its time too
Shared drives on a LAN!
Exactly this and more.
I’m not even pirating because it’s cheaper, or easier. I have near 100TB in storage, and it takes hours per week to search material, have it downloaded, checked, etc. I just am done with the marketing, the branding, the advertising, the bullshit rules. I just want to watch what I want to watch and media companies made this impossible so I’m forced to sail the high seas
Why not just… Automate that with an Arr stack? And use Jellyseer to find new and popular movies and shows.
Im looking into an arr stack but it seems there are a LOT of moving pieces. I’m technical enough to pull it off but also old enough to roll my eyes at seeing how many systems I’ll need to install, setup, configure, etc. sonar, bazaar, radarr, arrarr…
I dont suppose there is a single docker container to install that pulls and connects it all? I dont mind a bit of work but this sure seems a lot at first glance
There’s several that you can customize to your liking, and several megathreads about it on the old site we shall not speak of.
Thing is, the specific units you install can bedifferent depending on personal preference; I use qbittorrent instead of transmission for instance, Jellyfin instead of Plex, and so on.
Once you get it set up, though, everything else should go smoothly, and you’ll practically never have to do manual searches ever again (except those really niche shows nobody’s ever heard of).
There’s an example docker file from Rick45 on github, but as I noted, he uses stuff like Plex and Deluge instead. Feel free to just copy the example file and edit as needed for your preferred services.
Me, my preferred stack includes Sonarr, Radarr, Lidarr, Prowlarr, Jellyfin, qBittorrent, SurfShark, JellySeer, Flaresolver, and Organizer. Again, tweak as you’d like.
100TB? Why?
Because its fun. Because i get obscure movies in high quality, maybe for posterity? I dunno, it’s a hobby. Why does anyone get a Warhammer 40K army?
Build your own Netflix gets expensive after a while.
I found I watched a lot more once I installed Jellyfin rather than faffing around with files and folders whenever I wanted to watch anything.
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