Yep. Also calling it the“Israel-Hamas war” is propaganda. Makes it sound like the only people dying in Palestine are Hamas soldiers, which is obviously nowhere near the truth.
Centrists are literally just anti-opinion and spineless.
Free Palestine.
If you don’t support indigenous resistance to occupation, you’re on the side of the occupation. There is no center.
Next you’re going to tell me the Cardassians were the bad guys.
Garak, you of all people know that’s true. The question is if they’re the winning side or not, right?
Where do you stop? At single celled organisms, or when they invaded the earth?
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Lets see your opinion on Uyghurs and Ukraine.
Edit: still not answered by the person the question was SPECIFICALLY directed to.
Pro Ukraine Pro Uyghur Pro Palestine Pro Kurd
Does pro Uyghur mean pro religion?
WTF does this mean? A person isn’t a religion. Do you think it’s okay to kill people because of their religion?
Oh its killing now? What happened to the reeducation camps?
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is this a copy pasta or a new generation of satire?
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The US is not shooting Ukrainians, that simple.
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A lot of words to support nazi russia.
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This is whataboutism.
Far from it.
All three are about a genocide. And there is no center about genocide. Yet tankies will shit themselves till they bleed arguing like there is some gray area regarding Ukraine or Uyghurs. As if someone deserves it.
Just like Murdochs propaganda will argue Palestine deserves what they get, because Hamas.
It’s textbook whataboutism. It’s like going to a Black Lives Matter protest and saying “What about all of the non-Black people who get killed by police? All lives matter!” Your response was basically “All genocides matter”.
The Palestinian genocide does have one important difference from those other genocides: it’s being enabled by US tax dollars. That’s why so many people in the US are protesting that genocide instead of some other genocide.
Do you actually care about any of these genocides, or are you just trying to score points on “tankies”?
If you ignore the whole problem of all races matter then yeah, it is exactly the same. Otherwise it is just a shallow take.
The Palestinian genocide does have one important difference from those other genocides: it’s being enabled by US tax dollars. That’s why so many people in the US are protesting that genocide instead of some other genocide
I am questioning the morality of queermunist user, her speaking in absolutes.
You jump out with palestine genocide different because US dolla bills. And then ask if someone cares about genocides. Insinuating scoring points.
You are arguing over genocides. You have just given an argument of one over the other. You have jumped in slinging accusations because of your moral high ground.
You just did the all races matter equivalent for genocides. And the fact that you have thrown similar in my face. The cherry on top.
enabled by US tax dollars.
Kissinger.
Or the US
Land back, all of it.
What were u expecting?
fnuny meme but if you read the article i don’t think calling them “centrist” is defensible:
Mr. Aboutboul is a founding member of Students for Standing Together, a new student group at U.C.L.A. that aims to unite Israelis and Palestinians to call for a cease-fire in Gaza.
so these “centrists” are doing statistically better than your representatives. the comments here talking about “only committing a half genocide” are just doing bad faith echo chamber discourse, which i don’t find the be productive.
At Columbia University, Aharon Dardik, an Israeli American student, formed a group called CU Jews for Ceasefire after finding that his viewpoint wasn’t fully reflected in the main pro-Palestinian student movement. He is a pacifist who spent his teen years with his family in the West Bank but who ultimately refused to serve in the army in Israel. He believes in working with Israelis and Palestinians toward collective liberation and a world not divided by ethnonationalist allegiances.
Dr. Waxman also became a target of right-wing pro-Israel groups, including after he wrote on social media that he supported the International Criminal Court’s request for an arrest warrant for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, a position he said he took as a supporter of international law.
no hate to OP but let’s laugh loudly at the ones who deserve to be scoffed and mocked, not the people who are actively supporting Palestinian emancipation. i’m sure there’s stuff to be criticized in these folks but if there is, find it and call it the fuck out specifically instead of hand-waving “centrist”—especially when doing so just deplatforms the underrepresented Jewish Anti-Zionist population.
(honestly let’s laugh at whoever wrote and approved that headline, it does no service here.)
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented” is a quote by Elie Wiesel from his 1986 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.
Or you can just not have an opinion on a subject. It’s ok to not have an opinion sometimes.
It’s not okay to not have an opinion on the bombs you’re paying for.
Sure it is. There are many things my taxes are paying for that I don’t have an opinion on.
“You can’t be neutral on a moving train.”
You can choose to not have an opinion, but that just means you’re siding with the genocide. There’s no neutral option.
That’s just your opinion. You can’t actually prove that.
I can prove that you are supporting genocide. You pay your taxes, right? Then you’re supporting genocide.
Unless you’re too young to pay taxes? In that case I could give you a pass - it’s not like you know any better anyway.
But this is something we all have to reconcile - we’re all complicit. You don’t get to wash your hands of this.
Again, you’ve proved nothing. This is just a conclusion/opinion. Just stop.
When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don’t pick the middle and support half-genocide.
More accurate would be “Committing genocide” and “Wants to commit genocide but doesn’t have the guns”, with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I’m picking the “chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live” option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point
Yes, an Israeli government that recognizes Palestinians as people is the first step then hoping the olive branch extends to the other side
Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t commit genocide. You can’t win a war on terror. You can stop “terrorists” without hurting a single person though.
Hamas would not exist if Israel didn’t, it’s true, but the opposition to Israel did not originally come from genocide, Israel was attacked almost immediately upon its foundation. Whether putting there was a good idea or not is debatable (well okay it was an awful idea, but one of the other places they considered was Yugoslavia, which I’m sure would have been perfectly safe!) but Hamas and their ilk did not appear in response to Israel committing genocide
At my university the police literally threaten anyone who tries to be pro Palestine… every Jewish group is pro zionist
What I’ve seen plenty of those alleged “centrists” doing is the opposite - removing the nuance. For example, conflating the four sides (Israelis, Palestinians, State of Israel, Hamas) into two.
Centrist opinions be like Six million Western European Jews were killed in the holocaust so millions of Eastern European and American Jews, who were supported by the Nazi’s, deserve to kill any middle easterner that stands against the formation of their own imperialist state
It is easy to have a nuanced position and still come to the obvious conclusion on what’s happening now. The past is completely enough that a basic history lesson would suffice.
Yep we totally need a middle ground between settler colonialism, genocide and apartheid and not that. There is obviously no right side maybe we can have a little settler colonialism, gentler apartheid and a gentler genocide.
We must only kill half the Palestinians.
If you’re a ShitLib who supports genocide its pretty easy to find company. Just enter .world, twitter, read any capitalist run media outlet, or talk to the millions of braindead “centrist” ShitLibs that hang out in the gentrified parts of any city.
“I feel like doing genocide and not doing genocide are basically the same thing.”
Let’s compromise on doing half a genocide?
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Damn, you sure showed me the light… Do you not realise how self-righteous this sounds?
I guess being against genocide is just being one of the sheeple.
I’m also against genocide. I don’t think advocating for brain use is self-righteous. We don’t have to agree on every minor point is what I’m saying
Edit: I’ve probably blocked any idiots that may have responded but the downvotes on this comment tell me everything. I’d rather talk to those that celebrate brain use.
Let me guess… “Oh so you think…” “How could there possibly be any nuance…” Etc. lol Stfu
The point is that you haven’t given any examples of what you mean at all, you’re just pointing at some vague nebulous ‘problems’ and ‘nuance’ without clarifying what these positions or minor disagreements could be.
Also, it’s very telling you’re doing ad hominem (especially ableist ones) attacks against at least some people who haven’t done the same to you.
Edit: The instance I’m on doesn’t have downvotes and either way I’m far more interested in debating/discussing points than attacking another’s character.
Based on their responses they don’t seem to actually want to discuss anything, just attack others
Yeah, sadly it seems that was the case.
It’s always sad when folks are like instead of having interesting discussions, but oh well.
So believing israel shouldn’t be bombing the shit out of palestine and trying to cause their genocide isn’t thinking for myself?
As long as you don’t add nuance to that the mob won’t attack you. Even I agree with you, I mean that’s probably the safest opinion you can possibly have
I’m not sure what possibly reasonable ‘nuance’ there could be when one side is clearly the agressor and has all the power.
You’re right, I don’t have to think for myself to feel that murdering innocent people is wrong. Maybe if I thought about it a bit harder I’d find a way to justify it, like you have.
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Oh, sorry but someone else has already called me a bitch. I can’t believe you’re not open to using your brain instead of subscribing to someone else’s view. I prefer people who think for themselves.
Ironically enough, even the “think for themselves, it’s all nuanced” option often gets picked up from subscribing to someone else’s views, mostly because staying in the middle and considering all options sounds like the ‘smart thing to do’ even if there’s some deliberate ignorance of the facts to retain this position (like with the current Israel Palestine war).
It’s a very similar thing to those kids in school who’d hear the quote “I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing”, then go around and immediately start telling everyone how they know nothing to try and appear very deep and smart.
Besides, there’s way less original thought in the world than you think - in order to actually properly research a subject and MAYBE come to a nuanced, informed, open-minded view, you’d have to do a ton of research, know all the history and little quirks, things that most people don’t have time or education to do especially for multiple important events going on at the same time.
Anyway sorry, I write too much
Believe it or not
I absolutely believe this.
You’re so close to understanding, I can tell
