• BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
    82·
    2 months ago

    This is quickly becoming the norm in every industry. Every employer wants fewer employees to do more, without paying them more of course.

    • jaschen@lemm.ee
      43·
      2 months ago

      It’s not just developers. I’m in web marketing and I’m expected to do front end work including creating figmas and writing code. This is along with my regular duties as a marketer.

        • jaschen@lemm.ee
          24·
          2 months ago

          UX designers use figma to create mockups that front end developers use to make landing pages.

          • jaschen@lemm.ee
            6·
            2 months ago

            There are so many plugins for figma that it is hard to switch to anything else.

            • Kalothar@lemmy.ca
              2·
              2 months ago

              Yeah, I’m full stack and use it for quick mockups and communication with our marketing person at work.

              But I never hoped on the figma train fully, so penpot works for me.

              What are some integrations that I might find useful?

              (I work predominantly with a Stencil.js website and react native app (traditional MERN stack for the app, the stencil website has tons of custom integrations))

              • jaschen@lemm.ee
                5·
                2 months ago

                I use a handful of tools. I think the one I use the most is build. Io. It basically scrapes a page and creates a figma design from a webpage. It’s useful if I’m planning on building a test or creating a new page that requires me to bring elements from other pages.

                It cuts my workload in 1/2.

      • Kojichan@lemmy.world
        7·
        2 months ago

        I’m falling into that myself… It seems my boss is trying to prevent me from being Pidgeon-holed into being just a programmer.

        Aka, he is diversifying my portfolio to keep me on board as an employee.

        Guess it helps some full-stack’ers if they also have experience in graphics design and copywriting.

          • Kojichan@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 months ago

            …and that, too. Tried to look at it as an existing Jack of All Trades. Get to learn new stuff!

            But yeah… I feel like I’m being taken advantage of, sometimes.

  • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
    45·
    2 months ago

    I work full stack and even do dev operations and my title is not “full stack” and I believe the reason why is so HR can argue to pay me less.

      • Hazzard@lemm.ee
        18·
        2 months ago

        Eh, this is a thing, large companies often have internal rules and maximums about how much they can pay any given job title. For example, on our team, everyone we hire is given the role “senior full stack developer”, not because they’re particularly senior, in some cases we’re literally hiring out of college, but because it allows us to pay them better with internal company politics.

      • dan@upvote.au
        2·
        2 months ago

        That really depends on the company. At big tech companies, it’s common for the levels and salary bands to be the same for both generalists (or full stack or whatever you want to call them) and specialists.

        It also changes depending on market conditions. For example, frontend engineers used to be in higher demand than backend and full-stack.

    • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      The only way to get what you’re worth is to change jobs. Then do it again in a couple more years.

      • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
        5·
        2 months ago

        Just web, which is bullshit cause i literally work with like 3 OSs and 5 programming languages, ci cd. I just get thrown into a random project and come out with solutions. I told my manager my title should be software dev but he disagreed, shucks I guess.

        • Eranziel@lemmy.world
          01·
          2 months ago

          Did you tell him you guess you have to stop doing non-web development then? Clearly you’re not qualified if you can’t have the corresponding title.

    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 months ago

      I’m not even in tech. I teach maths at night school to support myself while doing my masters. Somehow I’ve become the ‘computer guy’ at my job. All the teachers and even office staff ask me to explain software to them that I myself have never even used. I need to learn to say no.

    • ramirezmike@programming.dev
      79·
      2 months ago

      the term normally refers to a developer that can be productive in every layer required for a typical application to work.

      They can do the front end design/styling/implementation and are familiar with front end languages and frameworks

      They can do the backend API design and are familiar with the typical backend languages and patterns.

      They can do the database table design, write and optimize queries.

      They can handle the ci/cd scripting that handles building and deploying the application

      They can design and write the automation tests and are familiar with the libraries used for that.

      And a bunch of other crap like load testing or familiarity with cloud services.

      The latest thing added to the list is AI model creation which is a nightmare… but, I can’t say no 🤷‍♂️

      • frezik@midwest.social
        74·
        2 months ago

        Also, in practice, they’re usually only good at one or two of the things on the list (at best) and hack their way through the rest. As much as people make fun of overspecialization, it happens in every field for a reason.

        • _____@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          2 months ago

          Eh, not sure if this is true at all. I think the reality is that niche specialized roles are valuable (frontend expert) but you are not “hacking” your way in full stack unless you are a junior or just bad at development.

          I don’t consider myself to be hacking anything I do, even things I’m not as strong in (ci cd) I pay full attention to documentation and examples before blinding coding or writing ci scripts

      • Rusty Shackleford@programming.devEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        Start saying no. If you don’t know how, start learning. It’s hurting everyone up and down the industry.

        I am almost purely focussed on creating DNNs (“deep neural networks” for the unaware) and it’s almost always a nightmare work-wise, even without all the rest of the other crap.

      • stebo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        2·
        2 months ago

        The latest thing added to the list is AI model creation which is a nightmare… but, I can’t say no 🤷‍♂️

        That’s funny, I’m working with AI models for my thesis. Good to know that professional programmers struggle with it too.

    • prole@beehaw.orgEnglish
      56·
      2 months ago

      They develop software on Marshall Full-Stack amplifiers, rather than the smaller, less powerful Half-Stacks.

      Hope that helps clear things up.

    • Kissaki@programming.devEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      I’m thankful I am full stack and can do my stuff across borders. I hate the interfaces, waiting for stuff, or being hindered by dissatisfactory (to me anyway) stuff from them. So I’m glad when I have control over the entire stack - from talking to the customer to running production.

      Anything I don’t have control over - most if it doesn’t get done, the rest can be okay or bothersome.

      I hate that I don’t see what the admin set up and does on the infrastructure. It makes it harder to assess issues and potential issues and how they could correlate with infrastructure changes and activities…

  • Kissaki@programming.devEnglish
    1·
    2 months ago

    For me that’s the wrong way around.

    I want to be able to fix the issues I see. I hate it when I can’t.