If it doesn’t what does it do?

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    1 month ago

    If the phone has a bell, and the bell vibrates to produce a ring then it has rung.

    If the phone doesn’t have a bell, then it alerts, notifies, signals, flashes, vibrates, etc… but does not ring a bell.

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      You know what, you’re right. And the act of putting in a number can’t be called ‘dialing’, because there isn’t a dial. Also, when a car stops at a designated spot and is shut down, that’s not ‘parking’ because there isn’t a park there like there used to be when that word was first used.

      Language cannot possibly evolve in these obscene ways!

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      Is the sound I hear when I call you still a ring? If so, has your phone still rung?

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        In the purest sense of the word no, there is no ringer, there’s no bell

        In the colloquial sense of the word sure, the phone has alerted you that there is a call

        If your phone gets a call but doesn’t give you any indicator was their call at all? Probably

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          If you call for takeout, how can you be at home, silently? You’re not “calling” anything, nor taking anything out, as you’re squarely staying in.

          Being that prescriptive would end up like an irl version of the Big Bang theory, just much much worse. (And the original is already… eh.)

          • TwentySeven@lemmy.world
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            Maybe this is a regional thing, but I don’t agree with that example, I think take-out means you leave the house to get it. If they bring it to you, it’s delivery.

            I also wouldn’t say I “called” for take-out unless I made a phone call. Otherwise, I would say I ordered it.

        • PoopingCough@lemmy.world
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          Language for sounds doesnt work like that though. If I hear a pop song and say “dang that’s a great snare” it isn’t wrong if technically the sound is actually a synthesized snare. When you hear something you can name it without it having to be physically present. Plus plenty of things ring without being a bell.

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    So I interpreted this question differently to most other people here, interestingly enough.

    So when you call someone, on your headset, you hear a ringing dial tone thingie as the phone “rings” on their end. The question is: If their phone is on silent, do you still hear that noise on your headset?

    I imagine so - it’s probably used for many automated systems to detect when you pick up or similar.

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    You mean what’s the vernacular?

    “Ring” is a hold over word from when phones had bells that rang upon receiving a signal from an operator. Now it means anytime a phone makes a sound to indicate an incoming call.

    If a sound isn’t made, you can just say “notify”, because chances are it creates a dialog, or flashes a light, or does something to notify you that someone is calling your phone.

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    After processing the question while writing my replies in this thread, I’d say it doesn’t ring. If it vibrates then it vibrates, simple as that. If it neither rings nor vibrates but the screen turns on, then… it flashes? Not super sure about that one.

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    Depends how literal you want to be.

    In the loose sense of, “Someone is trying to make a phone call to me and my device has registered that fact and is now alerting me in some way, whether through sound, light or movement” yes I’d still just say it’s “ringing”.

  • tobogganablaze@lemmus.org
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    Well, going by these definitions:

    • cause (a bell or alarm) to ring.
    • (of a telephone) produce a series of resonant or vibrating sounds to signal an incoming call.
    • call for service or attention by sounding a bell.
    • sound (the hour, a peal, etc.) on a bell or bells.

    I’d say it’s pretty clear.

    no sound = no ringing.

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      by these means no mobile phones ring, since they have no bells anymore. and not even the fancier landlines, either.

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        I don’t think the bell is required, just the sound. Phone can still ring an “alarm” and produce sound. That qualifies as ringing.

      • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
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        (of a telephone) produce a series of resonant or vibrating sounds to signal an incoming call.

        All sound is vibrating, because sound is just air vibration, therefore any audio at all produces by a telephone fits this definition. I will die on this hill.

        … Or perhaps the definition is just a bit outdated, only accounting for ringtones that sound like bells which used to be a popular choice. IMHO the definition should be updated to include any sound that alerts of an incoming call.

        Wait, what am I saying? Where did my hill go?!

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              I mean I aggree with this, nontheless my first comment (just wanted to nitpick and engage some convo with it):

              IMHO the definition should be updated to include any sound that alerts of an incoming call.

              Though, in my native language ‘ringing’ is kinda analogue to ‘vibrating’ and as for ‘ringing’ like the noise, we use a different word.

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    I refer to a phone notifying you of a call - with a ring or otherwise - as “going off.” However, after looking this up, that apparently means “to explode” (possibly metaphorically, depending on which source you trust).

    So far, even on vibrate or silent, my phone has not done that.

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      I also say “your phone is going off” as it can refer to either the alarm, incoming call, or other notifications. It’s definitely an accepted alternative meaning for the phrase.

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        “Going off” can also mean “be in the process of spoiling / going bad” when referring to foodstuffs, which I only mention to point out that the phrase has at least one alternative use beyond exploding, even if alarms and such aren’t considered. More usually in the past tense of “gone off”, but it gets some use in the present tense.

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          If you’re willing to stretch the metaphor, I have had some phones go bad from no apparent cause beyond age.