After application of penalties, the final classification order is:
- Verstappen
- Leclerc
- Pérez
- Norris (+1)
- Alonso (+1)
- Sainz (-2)
- Russell (+1)
- Hamilton (-1)
- Stroll (+1)
- Gasly (-1)
- Albon
- Zhou (+2)
- Sargeant
- Ocon (-2)
- Bottas (+1)
- Piastri (+1)
- De Vries (-2)
- Magnussen (+1)
- Tsunoda (-1)
DNF. Hulkenberg
That’s a lot of change. They need to figure something out for the future here as this is just ridiculous
Frankly, they need to figure out something the penalties situation in general. Applying a penalty after the race is finished and they can’t do anything about it is bs. It needs to happen in real time or, at least, during the race
This is really kind of absurd, giving this kind of penalty after the race makes very little sense.
this is honestly ridiculous. both for the drivers, who can’t keep the car on track, and for the F1 in general.
and what’s up with perez and hamilton claiming he was constantly out?? did FIA just… “forget” about him?
HAM was saying the same about NOR, guess he was exaggerating a bit.
this is nuts, how hard is it to mount 4 extra cameras that do nothing but check whether the 4 tires are beyond the white lines? They already have cameras and sensors galore, adding 4 more so that the drivers, teams and stewards get instant feedback should be possible
How hard is it to simply use the curbs as they did before. Imo doing it like this just makes the racing worse without any actual benefit.
Curbs hurt people, saftey does matter.
What’s the difference between the curbs and the lines? They’re both artificial boundaries.
The white lines are virtually impossible to see from the cockpit while the curbs are easier to see and hence it is easier to judge the position of the car with respect to the curb. Also the putting all 4 wheels on the curb is generally slower than staying on the road so the drivers have have incentive to not cross the curb. This will both limit the number of track limit violations and make the job for both the drivers and race control easier
I can see the logic in what you’re saying, but my concern is that using the curbs leaves things too open to interpretation to be consistent. Curbs aren’t on all parts of the track, and they aren’t the same across all tracks.
Really, the issue of exceeding the white line isn’t a rules issue, it’s a team issue. The teams build and operate their cars around a huge number of regulations. They’ve simply decided that this one doesn’t have enough of an impact to warrant the investment. More races like Austria and they might start to take track limits seriously.
Or, this is a problem specific to the Red Bull Ring and modifying the track will prevent it from reoccuring. I don’t recall this frequency of penalties occuring on other tracks this year.
Considering the teams have regulations on the size of the car and in a ground effect era the cars have to be as low as possible, so I don’t see how teams can improve the white line visibility situation
The cars “have to be as low as possible” just like they “have to stay within track limits”. The reason ride hight is prioritized over visibility is because of the ROI. If penalties for exceeding track limits have enough of an impact, the teams will implement solutions.
Drivers can feel the curbs, they can’t see the white lines.
Right. So, when you feel the curbs you know you’ve exceeded the white lines.
huge for AM and McLaren - gutted for Hamilton
I think instead of monitoring track limits, they should just put up massive curbs / gravel / grass exactly where the car would be if it went 1cm past track limits. It would stop people taking the piss, stop the stupid penalties, and also make things more exciting when someone did go to far with them then disadvantaged for a straight etc.
I think the curbs should be replaced with spike strips. That would incentivize the drivers to stay on the track.
I’ve been all for the track limit enforcement, and I’ve been pleased about the way it’s vern handled during Q and the race.
For it to come to light that RC and the stewards got this so wrong is an absolute disgrace.
Might be better to just use sensors and relax the rules a bit
In past seasons teams were complaining that track limits weren’t being enforced consistently. I guess this is what we get.
