• pl_woah@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Humans think real random isn’t random 🙃

    It’s wild but they see patterns

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      1 year ago

      The problem isn’t that their random is biased or has rules, the is that it is entirely deterministic, to the point where it will play the same exact songs, in the same exact order for days. It’s as if shuffle just activates a hidden “shuffle” playlist that only updates once a week.

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        1 year ago

        You and I might be talking about different things.

        I mean that humans don’t like theoretically true random, as a cool side note

        You seem upset about one implementation

        Also, shuffling and having something appear near even though you throught it was shuffled is part of that finding patterns

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          1 year ago

          Yes, that was what I was getting at. Not having true random is one thing, I understand (and like) that implementation. Apple has been doing it since the first few iPods. But Spotify “shuffle” isn’t near even, it is exactly even, as in “if you shuffle play this playlist twice two days in a row, it will play the exact same order”. Which is why people are complaining about Spotify specifically.

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      1 year ago

      Well, computers physically cannot be random, they rely on logic

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        1 year ago

        CSPRNGs are a thing…

        As are radioactive sources

        And there’s mathematical tests for whether something is random enough

        So no, computers really can do random xD

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          1 year ago

          CSPRNG literally stands for “cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator”. All randomness in computers is pseudorandom. Not TRULY random

          Radioactive sources for randomness aren’t really just put into your average household PC or phone either for obvious reasons.

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            1 year ago

            A CSPRNG is more than random enough for a playlist xD

            Take it from someone who works in the field - computers do random well enough rotflol

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              1 year ago

              That’s not what I’m doubting here. I was raising awareness to the fact that a computer physically cannot be truly random. I know that pseudorandomness is enough as we cannot perceive a difference easily.