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    The most fascinating part of this to me is that roughly 88% of mixed breed dogs passed the test. So if you’re just looking for a great dog, a mixed breed might actually have a better chance than a purebred!

    Unless you’re getting a lab. I’ve never met a lab that wasn’t the bestest doggo ever lol

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    This just proves my feeling that chihuahuas are plain bad at being a dog. Every Chihuahua I’ve ever seen was aggressive at anything that moves. Just because they’re small, people find that cute or something.

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    Here’s a text-version of the results

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    No Breed Percentage Passed
    1. Labrador Retriever 92.20%
    2. German Shepherd Dog 85.30%
    3. Mixed Breed 86.30%
    4. Golden Retriever 85.60%
    5. French Bulldog 96.20%
    6. Bulldog 71.60%
    7. Beagle 79.70%
    8. Poodle (Miniature) 76.70%
    9. Poodle (Standard) 87.20%
    10. Poodle (Toy) 78.90%
    11. Rottweiler 84.70%
    12. German Shorthaired Pointer 78.10%
    13. Yorkshire Terrier 83.70%
    14. Boxer 83.90%
    15. Dachshund (all varieties) 80.00%
    16. Pembroke Welsh Corgi 79.60%
    17. Siberian Husky 86.80%
    18. Australian Shepherd 82.20%
    19. Great Dane 81.50%
    20. Doberman Pinscher 79.50%
    21. Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 85.50%
    22. Miniature Schnauzer 79.30%
    23. Shih Tzu 77.60%
    24. Boston Terrier 86.30%
    25. Bernese Mountain Dog 86.60%
    26. Pomeranian 77.80%
    27. Shetland Sheepdog 68.90%
    28. Brittany Spaniel 91.00%
    29. English Springer Spaniel 85.20%
    30. Pug 91.7%
    31. Mastiff 86.70%
    32. Cocker Spaniel 82.00%
    33. English Cocker Spaniel 93.30%
    34. Vizsla 85.20%
    35. Cane Corso 88.1%
    36. Chihuahua 69.60%
    37. Border Collie 82.40%
    38. Weimaraner 80.80%
    39. Collie 80.80%
    40. Basset Hound 86.50%
    41. Newfoundland 87.50%
    42. Rhodesian Ridgeback 84.20%
    43. West Highland White Terrier 89.70%
    44. Belgian Malinois 94.10%
    45. Chesapeake Bay Retriever 87.80%
    46. Bichon Frise 76.70%
    47. Akita 77.80%
    48. Saint Bernard 84.90%
    49. Bloodhound 75.00%
    50. Portuguese Water Dog 77.90%
    51. Bullmastiff 80.10%
    52. Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier 73.00%
    53. Papillon 82.30%
    54. Australian Cattle Dog 79.60%
    55. Dalmatian 83.30%
    56. Scottish Terrier 65.70%
    57. Alaskan Malamute 84.80%
    58. Samoyed 80.30%
    59. Airedale Terrier 78.20%
    60. Whippet 86.20%
    61. Bull Terrier 91.60%
    62. Chinese Shar-Pei 71.00%
    63. Great Pyrenees 84.90%
    64. Dogue de Bordeaux 78.00%
    65. Cardigan Welsh Corgi 80.50%
    66. Cairn Terrier 75.50%
    67. Miniature Pinscher 82.50%
    68. Old English Sheepdog 77.60%
    69. Great Swiss Mountain Dog 82.80%
    70. Chow Chow 71.70%
    71. Irish Wolfhound 90.10%
    72. English Setter 81.30%
    73. Irish Setter 90.90%
    74. Giant Schnauzer 77.40%
    75. Chinese Crested Dog 76.50%
    76. American Pit Bull Terrier 87.40%
    77. Staffordshire Bull Terrier 90.90%
    78. Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever 78.90%
    79. Bouvier des Flandres 85.40%
    80. American Staffordshire Terrier 85.50%
    81. Basenji 68.90%
    82. Border Terrier 91.60%
    83. Standard Schnauzer 71.10%
    84. Anatolian Shepherd Dog 83.30%
    85. Flat-Coated Retriever 92.00%
    86. Keeshond 81.60%
    87. Norwegian Elkhound 74.60%
    88. Borzoi 90.10%
    89. Schipperke 91.50%
    90. Belgian Tervuren 81.40%
    91. Welsh Terrier 76.30%
    92. Afghan Hound 72.70%
    93. Gordon Setter 83.60%
    94. Jack Russell Terrier 85.50%
    95. Black Russian Terrier 93.90%
    96. Saluki 68.70%
    97. Boerboel 94.70%
    98. American Eskimo 82.60%
    99. Fox Terrier (Smooth) 77.60%
    100. Beauceron 90.60%
    101. Belgian Sheepdog 81.00%
    102. Bearded Collie 56.90%
    103. Kerry Blue Terrier 73.50%
    104. Briard 81.70%
    105. Manchester Terrier 87.10%
    106. German Pinscher 91.90%
    107. Greyhound 79.70%
    108. Italian Greyhound 81.50%
    109. Ibizan Hound 91.20%
    110. Scottish Deerhound 85.30%
    111. Irish Water Spaniel 90.00%
    112. Curly-Coated Retriever 91.70%
    113. Kuvasz 78.40%
    114. Pharaoh Hound 81.80%
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    Should have taken these dogs to the vet, I feel like this chart would look a lot different temperament wise. Working in the field, I’m very confused how some of these breeds scored so well and others so poorly.

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      Yeah, as someone who’s been around dogs for decades, this chart doesn’t make sense. I’d like to know the methodology used, and with how many dogs of each breed.

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      Seriously. Is it just me, or is it a little racist (breedist?) to lump dogs into individual categories based solely on breed? They’re all unique individuals with their own personalities. Any dog can be a good boy if raised properly.

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        Bruh, do you understand what a breed is?

        They are specifically breeded for certain traits, it’s fair to lump them into breeds when looking at behaviour and temperament since those are traits that can obviously be bred.

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        Yeah, I almost wonder for a lot of these if they were getting dogs from the same genetic line. I’ve seen some breeders make dogs with poor temperaments just becuase of the breeding stock they’ve been using.

        Like, I do agree bearded collies can have poor temperaments, but so bad that they’re that far removed from all other dogs? Strong disagree.

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    I had a sheltie named Sivonne that passed away a few years ago of old age. She was the sweetest, most docile girl, let toddlers pet her and didn’t mind when cats came over. She was, however, deathly afraid of going outside, and we rescued her from a breeder who de-barked her after she refused to be either a show dog or a breeding dog. I’m not sure how much of her calmness was her personality or just resignation to life, but I hope she felt safe and comfortable for the time she was with us.

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    The Malinois at the very front surprises me the most. In our shelter in Germany these dogs unfortunately quite often end up in hardly placeable, unpredictable condition. But there my impression is probably also distorted, because I otherwise see them very rarely.

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    The American Pit bull terrier, Stafordshire Terrier, and American Staffordshire Terrier are all “pit bulls”. They are all near over 85% to 90% on the chart. Me and my pitts have known that for years 😌

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      Yup. Us pittie owners know that no matter what, our dogs are getting blamed. Few months ago on a walk we had a collie escape from a yard and started jumping all over my girl (thankfully not biting). My girl just sat there looking at me like “uhhh, dad? Make him stop?”.

      Of course their owner started screaming bloody murder when my girl hadn’t even growled, let alone done anything else. It’s almost as if dogs aggressiveness is largely based on the environment they were raised in, and pittie owners are extra careful because, again, no matter what its our dogs getting blamed. Of course the people who get a dog to be a toy tend to get breeds like Goldens and GSDs, and then never bother to train them.

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        Explain this

        Pitbulls are responsible for 60% of all injuries and 63% of ocular injuries. Pitbull attacks have higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than attacks by other breeds. During 2005-2017, pit bulls killed one citizen every 16.7 days, totaling up to 284 Americans

        https://coloradoinjurylaw.com/blog/dog-bite-statistics/

        In the 10 years from 2009 to 2018, pit bulls killed or maimed 3,569 people in the USA and Canada. (Merritt Clifton, Dog Attack Deaths & Maimings, U.S. & Canada, 1982-2018 Log.) They killed over 80% of all Americans who are killed by dogs. (Colleen Lynn, 2015 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities, at http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php.)

        Published, peer-reviewed studies in authoritative journals of psychology and forensic science establish that pit bull owners as a whole – statistically – are more likely to be socially deviant, engage in crimes involving children, domestic violence, alcohol abuse, and violent crimes against other persons. (Jaclyn E. Barnes, Barbara W. Boat, Frank W. Putnam, Harold F. Dates, and Andrew R. Mahlman, Ownership of High-Risk (“Vicious”) Dogs As a Marker for Deviant Behaviors, J. Interpersonal Violence, Volume 21 Number 12, December 2006 1616-1634, abstract at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17065657;

        https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures

        Top 10 Most Fatal Dog Breeds Table, 2005-2017 US

        • Pit bull: 284 deaths (65.6%)
        • Rottweiler: 45 deaths (10.4%)
        • German shepherd: 20 deaths (4.6%)
        • Mixed-breed: 17 deaths (3.9%)
        • American bulldog: 15 deaths (3.5%)

        https://www.mkplawgroup.com/dog-bite-statistics/

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          Fucking thank you so goddamn much.

          Was just about to comment I know where the pit Bull would fall on number of children injured on chart

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          Published, peer-reviewed studies in authoritative journals of psychology and forensic science establish that pit bull owners as a whole – statistically – are more likely to be socially deviant, engage in crimes involving children, domestic violence, alcohol abuse, and violent crimes against other persons.

          oh yeah another comment said something similar

          A certain aggressive portion of people DO think that pitbulls are violent dogs, so they take them on and train them to be aggressive dogs. Pitbulls are strong as hell, so when they do act aggressively they cause a lot of damage

          I havent done that much research, is it a case of really bad owners?

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          Looks like you explained it yourself? Or are you implying owning a pit bull causes owners to become criminals in other ways simply by pit bulls sharing their bad vibes?

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          Ok! 3 of those links are from injury lawyers (always dependable sources of data when analyzing risk. No profit motive there.) 1 is a 404. 1 is an abstract from NIH that summarizes: “bad people own bad dogs”

          Dog identification is difficult, and even those scary looking pits may only have a small percentage of actual Staffordshire or Bulldog in their DNA. I don’t want people to get hurt either, but dog racism isn’t the answer. A bad owner can turn any dog violent.

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      No I think it’s saying 96% of french bulldogs tested have “passed” the temperament test. So 96% are not aggressive, I think that’s what it’s saying, anyways

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    I’d be interested to see the Regression and P value, it looks like there’s a weak correlation to me

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    I’d like to know what their tests are, because there’s no fucking way a pit bull passes nearly all other breeds.

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      They are statistically speaking, very well behaved animals. They are also extremely powerful so when they’re raised poorly, it goes very very poorly.

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        It’s Russian roulette no matter what, whether the revolver has 6 shots or 1000. A golden doodle decides to attack it’ll do a lot of damage, but a pit decides to attack and you’re talking about devastation.

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          That’s not true. Pits don’t have special bites, that’s a myth. Their bite force and ability to hold on isn’t more or less remarkable than other similarly sized dogs. There are several reasons that “pits” are misrepresented in dog bite rates. The first is over classification of “pit”. A Dalmation mixed with a Pit gets called a “Pit” mix. Also, any dog that even remotely looks like a pit gets classified as a “pit” even if they’re not, as I found out with two of my three dogs that got mislabeled as Pit mixes, only the third dog is a Pit and the other two are mixes of other breeds. It’s not like they’re DNA testing at shelters. We do this with Labs too, just Labs have a better reputation.

          The second reason is their popularity among those who view them as “tough” dogs. Causing certain types to be the most likely to adopt them. Like with German Shepards/Daschaunds/Doberman dog breeds. It is worth noting though, that there are official “Pit” breeds, like the American Pit and the Staffordshire Terrier, but they can be very different from the type of “Pits” people have as it is immensely popular to mix these dogs with other dogs and there are so many non-professional breeders breeding them. So “Pits” can have a wide array of temperaments due to the large genetic diversity present.

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      I don’t know… Pitbulls are usually owned by trashy people so the dog ends up being trashy.

      A properly raised pitbull would likely behave better than a poorly raised Golden Retriever. Still if a pitbull decides to fight its much more dangerous.

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        They’re responsible for the lion’s share of debilitating injuries caused by dogs. That’s a hard fact. Some ‘temperament test’ doesn’t change anything. It’s not scientific. I’ve rescued 4 pitbulls in my life. I loved them dearly, but I accept the fact that they are all potential killers.

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      Well that’s why it’s not number 1. Couldn’t pass the don’t attack and mutilate people test.

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    Would you look at that, pitties pass at a higher rate than GSDs, Goldens, and most other highly popular dogs besides labs.

    Yet somehow they’re inherently evil or something asinine like that

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      I think a lot of the problem is two things:

      • A certain aggressive portion of people DO think that pitbulls are violent dogs, so they take them on and train them to be aggressive dogs

      • Pitbulls are strong as hell, so when they do act aggressively they cause a lot of damage

      The real answer is to do something about the bad owners, because they give the whole breed a bad reputation. Continually saying that pitbulls are not a problem ignores this point.

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        The real answer is to do something about the bad owners, because they give the whole breed a bad reputation. Continually saying that pitbulls are not a problem ignores this point.

        Those two sentences seem to contradict each other. If the bad owners are giving the breed a bad reputation, then the problem isn’t the breed. It’s the owners. What point does that miss?

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          I’m clearly saying that the owners are the problem. I’m not sure if you read it clearly.

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      I think the results are a bit skewered because based on what I could find out these tests are done voluntarily by the owner. And obviously, if you own a “dangerous” breed and they are misbehaving you aren’t going to take the test.

      I highly doubt 95% of randomly selected Belgian Malinois would pass the test. They require a ton of training and without that they wouldn’t pass.

      With Golden Retrievers you will have more people undertake the test without undergoing proper training of their dog. Because they seem fine in daily life.

      Pitbulls are the most abandoned dog breed. Without proper training they are a danger to others. German shepherds are similar and many people underestimate them but Golden Retrievers are most often fine even with suboptimal training.

      The reason many of us want to ban pitbulls is because there are too many bad owners. It’s the same reason many of us want to ban guns. There are too many people who shouldn’t own guns or dogs. And ofcourse compromises are welcome, such as requiring certificates to own certain dog breeds. I think it would even be ideal to require it for every breed.

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        I honestly had assumed most of the ban pit peeps were conservatives. Interesting to see so many on the left supporting this.

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      Pointer: bred to point, naturally will point birds with 0 training

      Heeler: bred to corral, naturally tries to corral things with 0 training

      Retriever: bred to retrieve, naturally compelled to retrieve with 0 training

      Terriers: bred to kill small animals, will go sicko mode on rats with 0 training

      Pitbulls: bred to fight dogs, oh it’s just how they are raised little hippo would never ever oh no why is there blood everywhere who could have foreseen this

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        Pittbulls were bred to fight bulls and other large animals for sport or hunting. This required quite a lot of special training. The infamous locking jaw is an adaptation to allow them to hold onto a bucking bull. The dog fighting happened after baiting large animals was outlawed long after the breed was established.

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          So after they weren’t bred to fight bulls and bears, what were they bred to do?

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        the test is on things such as strangers approaching the dog’s handler in various ways without the dog reacting> Objective: These tests collectively evaluate the dog’s capacity to recognize an unusual situation, its threshold to provocation, its protective instincts, and its propensity to realize when the situation becomes a threat.

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        Wildly disingenuous characterization of the test. It’s not a test of unwarranted aggression. You took four words out of context without reference to the fact that it says “in the face of a threat.” Dogs are supposed to protect you (or themselves) when faced with a real threat. So are humans.

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            You didn’t even quote a full sentence, so yes it’s out of context. That’s how quoting things out of context works.

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                You deliberately took a phrase out of context to completely change the meaning and are not working extremely hard to pretend you didn’t understand the meaning of the original article. It’s very clear you aren’t here to argue in good faith, but are more likely trolling.

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          Are you implying there was a real threat to the owner if they dogs didn’t step in? RIP all the participants whose dogs weren’t able to save them from injury.

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            That is literally what this test is for, yes. Not all dogs are just pets, many are working dogs and part of their jobs is to protect their owners from real threats. This test simulates every possible circumstance.