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    11 months ago

    We literally do not live in a democracy according to a bunch of empirical studies, and also according to basic material analysis.

    As far as I know, there is one study, and even that is under dispute on secondary analysis of the underlying data.

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        11 months ago

        Once upon a time that would have been a simple answer, given the concentrated ownership of news that could reach any one person. But now with the Internet, there is less and less control by any one group. Certainly the age of the rich effectively controlling the media is over.

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          But now with the Internet, there is less and less control by any one group. Certainly the age of the rich effectively controlling the media is over.

          Pr teams have successfully learned how to use social media, and social media giants promote views that are beneficial to them like fascism while suppressing left wing content.

          I dont think the internet existing makes us a democracy, the parasocial nature of a lot of internet content actually makes it so people are more able to sell their propaganda.

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            There is plenty of media that exists outside of media giants. Case in point, there is a local blogger here in Portland, OR that runs bikeportland.org to cover bikes and related subjects. His blog posts and discussions on them are a major part of the local discourse around infrastructure in Portland. He’s not rich, but he exercises influence.

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              Okay, but you do see how thats pretty boutique compared to the local news channels, let alone the giants, right?

              Small things are allowed to exist that oppose the dominant ideology until they meaningfully threaten it.

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                Any grassroots media is going to be “boutique”. That doesn’t make it not influential, especially when considered as a whole.

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                  If independent media, as a whole, got too influential to the point that it was threatening the system, it would be targeted. We’ve seen this play out over and over again under capitalism. You literally just have to look to history to see this.

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                    Targeted with what? At least in the US, there has been a build up of case law over the past century and a half or so that provides vigorous protections of freedom of speech. The Red Scare is remembered as a scar on the US’s past, not to be repeated. Yes, there are still people with a vigorous taste for censorship, but there’s vigorous pushback against them.

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          11 months ago

          If the bourgeoisie decide elections through lobbying and media it isnt a democracy in a meaningful sense.

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              They don’t exactly decide, they influence the decision.

              “The didn’t do that, they just did something that will predictably result in that”

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                It doesn’t work perfectly and humanity pushes back over time. The issue is the pace of technology is too fast for our ability to push back. I’m hopeful our good side will win but I’m afraid it will take deaths by the millions again for people to wake up and fight back against the real enemies among us.