• Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    502·
    9 months ago

    Not high art, but refreshing to see actual acting in a comic book movie.

    Especially after they made an entire island of warrior women do Israeli accents just to paper over the fact that their lead actress can’t fake a different one.

  • pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io
    261·
    9 months ago

    I just didn’t watch this movie for years because I was thinking just like the reviewer here. This year I finally watched it and… it was ok. The biggest reason to see it was because I really like Joaquin Phoenix and I wanted to see the movie from which he won his Oscar.

    There’s a lot of things in his Joker performance worth a revisit: how he talks, and how he moves, is really unique and definitely worth the victory. I just wish he would’ve got his Oscar from The Master, which for me is a groundbreaking movie and has one of the best scenes of all time with Joaquin and Philip Seymour Hoffman in the jail cell.

    But he got it from the Joker, and I’m glad he got the recognition.

  • Floey@lemm.ee
    162·
    9 months ago

    Why does every piece of media need to be the deepest thing ever? Or why do we have to assume media is trying to be? This to me sounds like when people call music pretentious simply because it’s a combination of something they don’t like and also not like things normally on the radio. It’s even weirder in a case like this when the movie is a blockbuster film and not some indie joint.

    • Hugin@lemmy.world
      163·
      9 months ago

      In the case of this movie a lot of people were saying it was an important and deep move. So this review is more a reaction the tremendous over hype joker got from some groups of people.

      • RobotsLeftHand@lemmy.world
        66·
        9 months ago

        And in valiant battle against the edginess they just became more edge. Criticism doesn’t get much lower than basing the review on the “tremendous over hype” of others. That just makes the critic a tool.

  • IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee
    153·
    9 months ago

    I saw it in the theater and glad I did. What I saw on the screen was a reflection of my own mental problems. A lot of people didn’t see themselves up there, and that’s totally cool. But it’s pretty disingenuous to wave the movie off like it had zero meaning.

    And that werewolf scene is classic cinema.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    154·
    9 months ago

    You guys are crazy! Joker is a nuanced and thoughtful study on the ripple effects of sustained trauma and Joaquin Phoenix’s performance is perhaps the best of his carrier. No, wait, sorry I was thinking of “You Were Never Really Here” (2017)

    Anybody notice the Batman villain as social anxiety trend? Leger’s Joker channeled Islamic terrorists, Phoenix’s channeled lone wolf shooters, while Dano’s Riddler was an incel.

    Edit: i made a change

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
      87·
      9 months ago

      This whole trend of trying to make villains deeper and giving them reasons to be assholes needs to stop. It’s rationalizing asshole behavior. Plenty of people have shitty things happen to them without turning into monsters.

      • yesman@lemmy.world
        10·
        9 months ago

        I’d say the ubermench protagonists who are assholes, but their behavior is justified by being superior is a bigger problem. Think of Sherlock, Rick Sanchez, or Tony Stark.

  • Aarrodri@lemmy.world
    4·
    9 months ago

    I just want to say the comments in this thread are very interesting to read and thought provoking. Just taking a moment to appreciate this community.

  • FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml
    2825·
    9 months ago

    i dislike that sentiment so much. no one is saying joker is a deep movie, you’re just too far up your own ass to be able to enjoy something “simple” for what it is. joker is a very decent movie with a great performance from joaquin, and anyone who praises it as the best thing of all time or labels it as the worst thing in cinema, are idiots. reject both extremes and enjoy the fucking movie. 1 star is just petty and embarrassing

    • Gambit@lemm.ee
      3610·
      9 months ago

      anyone who praises it as the best thing of all time or labels it as the worst thing in cinema, are idiots. reject both extremes and enjoy the fucking movie. 1 star is just petty and embarrassing

      Do you extend this generous view that “opinions must be firmly middle of the road” toward all movies or do you just expect others to be charitable with their opinions when it concerns a movie you liked?

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    2·
    9 months ago

    The truly outstanding thing about Joker was the OST by Hildur Guðnadóttir. Other than that, it was…fine.